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Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

February 24, 2021 04:11AM
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dzrams
Earlier in this thread zn and Leoram presented good challenges and asked good questions but in doing so misstated my position (and likely RockRams too). Their respective statements/questions were ‘does Stafford guarantee a better shot of winning a championship game?’ and ‘paying them [a Tier 1 QB] is no guarantee of consistent success.’

They both use the word ‘guarantee’ in a way that actually flips my argument.

I did none of those things in my post. All I did was compliment the debate and ask a question. Below you clarify your position based on my challenge and it was appreciated. The word guarantee is something I never use in sports (in 2005 I won 78% of my sports bets and thought I was smart til I lost big in 2006 and was properly humbled...never wagered again). I try to see other's point of view. In the thread, "Tea Leaves", ZN ended the thread by stating that I couldn't see McVay's "dark side" after I went to great lengths to speculate what that might be. I'm not a contrarian nor do I defend only one side of an argument. I just enjoy depth of analysis which you have clearly presented here.

My position, restated, is that generalization (ie, never pay the second contract on a tier two QB ) doesn't apply to every team because their individual composition matters. While I rate Dak higher than you, I believe your contention has merit because that defense needs a complete overhaul and their OLine has been decimated by injury and turnover. However, the same has happened to the Hawks and Russell's contract has kept them from rebuilding their defense and OLine. And the relevant question here is what either team would be without their QB. The answer is bottom half of the league in both cases.

The Rams not only paid Goff the second contract, they doubled down by increasing their QB investment on Stafford. But they still have the OLine to address and holes in the defense which puts them in the same dilemma as Seattle. Even if Stafford is Tier 1, it's still one hell of a gamble.

I have a follow up question for you. If you don't pay the second contract, what is the alternative? Should Dallas go back to the draft and hope for the best? Should they run it back with Dalton or maybe Bridgewater? If you let Dak leave, what does that do to the locker room? The fans? Can Jerrah sell a rebuild? Russ isn't happy with how the team is being built and coached but his contract mitigates much of what he wants. The argument can be made that what's good for the Cowboys is not very different for the Hawks.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2021 04:14AM by Leoram.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam1562February 22, 2021 10:58AM

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dzrams699February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam380February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams583February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan442February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro417February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn384February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus511February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn298February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro438February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn317February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams479February 23, 2021 02:22PM

  Re: for the record

zn299February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams255February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus458February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-278February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus299February 24, 2021 12:50AM

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Rampage2K-256February 24, 2021 07:31AM

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Rams43309February 24, 2021 07:50AM

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Rampage2K-538February 24, 2021 09:14AM

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Rams43462February 24, 2021 01:31PM

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Rampage2K-266February 24, 2021 01:58PM

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dzrams408February 24, 2021 03:00PM

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Rams43387February 24, 2021 03:31PM

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zn266February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams43247February 24, 2021 05:14PM

  Re: Know what might be interesting?

zn278February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram261February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams287February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro592February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

dzrams280February 24, 2021 09:44AM

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zn685February 22, 2021 12:07PM

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dzrams339February 22, 2021 12:37PM

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zn397February 22, 2021 12:51PM

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dzrams381February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

zn287February 22, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: I did the math myself

dzrams2536February 22, 2021 01:31PM

  Question

DaJudge322February 22, 2021 02:34PM

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dzrams384February 22, 2021 03:07PM

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zn315February 22, 2021 07:09PM

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dzrams299February 22, 2021 07:31PM

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Leoram315February 23, 2021 02:30AM

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zn279February 23, 2021 04:18AM

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dzrams292February 23, 2021 08:12PM

  Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

BumRap411February 24, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

dzrams299February 24, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn296February 22, 2021 02:48PM

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dzrams281February 22, 2021 03:11PM

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zn301February 22, 2021 03:58PM

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dzrams333February 22, 2021 06:24PM

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zn478February 22, 2021 06:37PM

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dzrams279February 22, 2021 07:20PM

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zn678February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

Ram_Ruler316February 22, 2021 01:23PM

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Rams43349February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam295February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

Coy Bacon439February 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Good posts Rock and Dz

zn405February 22, 2021 05:40PM

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zn324February 22, 2021 06:57PM

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dzrams352February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

RockRam307February 24, 2021 01:58AM

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AlbaNY_Ram300February 24, 2021 03:21AM

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Leoram311February 24, 2021 04:11AM

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zn384February 24, 2021 07:14AM

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dzrams402February 24, 2021 09:06AM

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zn419February 24, 2021 10:04AM

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dzrams304February 24, 2021 10:25AM

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zn402February 24, 2021 10:39AM

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dzrams301February 24, 2021 11:38AM

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zn522February 24, 2021 11:55AM

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dzrams262February 24, 2021 12:12PM

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zn367February 24, 2021 12:27PM

  There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

Rams43295February 24, 2021 07:44AM

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zn315February 24, 2021 08:08AM

  A lot of assumptions to make us seem brilliant

BumRap379February 24, 2021 09:01AM