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Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

February 24, 2021 04:11AM
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dzrams
Earlier in this thread zn and Leoram presented good challenges and asked good questions but in doing so misstated my position (and likely RockRams too). Their respective statements/questions were ‘does Stafford guarantee a better shot of winning a championship game?’ and ‘paying them [a Tier 1 QB] is no guarantee of consistent success.’

They both use the word ‘guarantee’ in a way that actually flips my argument.

I did none of those things in my post. All I did was compliment the debate and ask a question. Below you clarify your position based on my challenge and it was appreciated. The word guarantee is something I never use in sports (in 2005 I won 78% of my sports bets and thought I was smart til I lost big in 2006 and was properly humbled...never wagered again). I try to see other's point of view. In the thread, "Tea Leaves", ZN ended the thread by stating that I couldn't see McVay's "dark side" after I went to great lengths to speculate what that might be. I'm not a contrarian nor do I defend only one side of an argument. I just enjoy depth of analysis which you have clearly presented here.

My position, restated, is that generalization (ie, never pay the second contract on a tier two QB ) doesn't apply to every team because their individual composition matters. While I rate Dak higher than you, I believe your contention has merit because that defense needs a complete overhaul and their OLine has been decimated by injury and turnover. However, the same has happened to the Hawks and Russell's contract has kept them from rebuilding their defense and OLine. And the relevant question here is what either team would be without their QB. The answer is bottom half of the league in both cases.

The Rams not only paid Goff the second contract, they doubled down by increasing their QB investment on Stafford. But they still have the OLine to address and holes in the defense which puts them in the same dilemma as Seattle. Even if Stafford is Tier 1, it's still one hell of a gamble.

I have a follow up question for you. If you don't pay the second contract, what is the alternative? Should Dallas go back to the draft and hope for the best? Should they run it back with Dalton or maybe Bridgewater? If you let Dak leave, what does that do to the locker room? The fans? Can Jerrah sell a rebuild? Russ isn't happy with how the team is being built and coached but his contract mitigates much of what he wants. The argument can be made that what's good for the Cowboys is not very different for the Hawks.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2021 04:14AM by Leoram.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam859February 22, 2021 10:58AM

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dzrams233February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam158February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams114February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan59February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro103February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn65February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus55February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn44February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro52February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn41February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams35February 23, 2021 02:22PM

  Re: for the record

zn39February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams29February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus30February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-39February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus30February 24, 2021 12:50AM

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Rampage2K-30February 24, 2021 07:31AM

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Rams4327February 24, 2021 07:50AM

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Rampage2K-28February 24, 2021 09:14AM

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Rams4325February 24, 2021 01:31PM

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Rampage2K-30February 24, 2021 01:58PM

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dzrams22February 24, 2021 03:00PM

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Rams4321February 24, 2021 03:31PM

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zn22February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams4323February 24, 2021 05:14PM

  Re: Know what might be interesting?

zn26February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram22February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams40February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro41February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

dzrams19February 24, 2021 09:44AM

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zn115February 22, 2021 12:07PM

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dzrams72February 22, 2021 12:37PM

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zn57February 22, 2021 12:51PM

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dzrams51February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

zn75February 22, 2021 01:17PM

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dzrams1774February 22, 2021 01:31PM

  Question

DaJudge59February 22, 2021 02:34PM

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dzrams44February 22, 2021 03:07PM

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zn39February 22, 2021 07:09PM

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dzrams37February 22, 2021 07:31PM

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Leoram37February 23, 2021 02:30AM

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zn40February 23, 2021 04:18AM

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dzrams26February 23, 2021 08:12PM

  Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

BumRap28February 24, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

dzrams22February 24, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn56February 22, 2021 02:48PM

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dzrams41February 22, 2021 03:11PM

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zn31February 22, 2021 03:58PM

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dzrams35February 22, 2021 06:24PM

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zn35February 22, 2021 06:37PM

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dzrams34February 22, 2021 07:20PM

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zn25February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

Ram_Ruler60February 22, 2021 01:23PM

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Rams4348February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam20February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

Coy Bacon84February 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Good posts Rock and Dz

zn58February 22, 2021 05:40PM

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zn47February 22, 2021 06:57PM

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dzrams69February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

RockRam33February 24, 2021 01:58AM

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AlbaNY_Ram29February 24, 2021 03:21AM

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Leoram31February 24, 2021 04:11AM

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zn41February 24, 2021 07:14AM

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dzrams26February 24, 2021 09:06AM

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zn19February 24, 2021 10:04AM

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dzrams22February 24, 2021 10:25AM

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zn20February 24, 2021 10:39AM

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dzrams20February 24, 2021 11:38AM

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zn19February 24, 2021 11:55AM

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dzrams21February 24, 2021 12:12PM

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zn26February 24, 2021 12:27PM

  There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

Rams4360February 24, 2021 07:44AM

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zn37February 24, 2021 08:08AM

  A lot of assumptions to make us seem brilliant

BumRap43February 24, 2021 09:01AM