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February 23, 2021 02:05PM
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Saguaro
So it's only logical, I think, at that point, to ask "well how much better will the Rams do then? With a QB that's light years better? How many more wins? How much farther into the playoffs? Given how far they went dragging Goff like an anchor, all the way to the superbowl, shouldn't they win it now?"

And that's when people get all squirrely, and start trying to lower expectations all of a sudden, and saying "weeellll, there's no guarantees, you know." and I laugh. Because there's a big disconnect there between "Stafford is so much better than Goff", and "gee, who knows if they'll actually get any farther".

There are some of us who do not do either thing.

We don't say Stafford is the great elevator who changes everything. I for one am way too much aware that a lot has to go right to be the NFL champion. I think Stafford has experience over Goff--which some people are mistaking for other stuff (eg. who processes faster). Experienced qbs who are still physically in their prime add a lot to your team, BUT that in itself guarantees nothing.

And that's not me "lowering expectations." I was never a Goff critic. I saw him in 2020 as an inconsistent qb with a lot of first-rate skills. I am not one of those who mistakes what happened in 2019 as being on Goff--that was the OL (and not accounting for what problem OLs do to qb play is one of the great blindspots of football discussion. Even after the Mahomes disaster last superbowl). So I don't buy into the myth this was a 2 year decline. I saw the same tough, accurate qb in the 2020 playoffs I saw in 2018. But yeah some inconsistency in 2020, but never enough for me to accept the "he declined" narrative. 5th year qbs often struggle (Stafford did). I saw him as capable of working through it and re-emerging as more consistently strong as a player.

What happened with McVay and Goff? No one knows though everyone pretends that their own pet theory is exactly what McVay was thinking. It's just as possible that McVay wants to leap over his own issues as an offensive coach with a qb who does not need continued coaching and developing (the way Stafford himself did in his own 5th year). Anyway at this point it's all guesses.

So. I am not "lowering expectations" for Stafford. And I like Stafford. I just know it's always more than just the qb. (Give the 2020 Bux Brady but also the Detroit, or Jacksonville, or Houston defenses--do we get the same result? How about giving the Bux the Chief's end of the season injury wrecked OL? Same result?)

And I am not throwing Goff under the bus.

Yet I don't complain about the trade because Stafford, in my eyes, makes the entire issue moot.

There may be some guys who say the things you're criticizing, but not all of us.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2021 02:09PM by zn.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam1561February 22, 2021 10:58AM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

dzrams698February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam380February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams582February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan440February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro416February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn384February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus509February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn298February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro438February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn316February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams474February 23, 2021 02:22PM

  Re: for the record

zn298February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams255February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus458February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-278February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus299February 24, 2021 12:50AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rampage2K-256February 24, 2021 07:31AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rams43309February 24, 2021 07:50AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rampage2K-538February 24, 2021 09:14AM

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Rams43461February 24, 2021 01:31PM

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Rampage2K-266February 24, 2021 01:58PM

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dzrams407February 24, 2021 03:00PM

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Rams43387February 24, 2021 03:31PM

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zn266February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams43246February 24, 2021 05:14PM

  Re: Know what might be interesting?

zn278February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram261February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams286February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro592February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

dzrams278February 24, 2021 09:44AM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

zn684February 22, 2021 12:07PM

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dzrams339February 22, 2021 12:37PM

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zn397February 22, 2021 12:51PM

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dzrams381February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

zn287February 22, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: I did the math myself

dzrams2529February 22, 2021 01:31PM

  Question

DaJudge321February 22, 2021 02:34PM

  Re: Question

dzrams384February 22, 2021 03:07PM

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zn315February 22, 2021 07:09PM

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dzrams298February 22, 2021 07:31PM

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Leoram315February 23, 2021 02:30AM

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zn279February 23, 2021 04:18AM

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dzrams292February 23, 2021 08:12PM

  Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

BumRap411February 24, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

dzrams299February 24, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn296February 22, 2021 02:48PM

  Re: I did the math myself

dzrams281February 22, 2021 03:11PM

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zn301February 22, 2021 03:58PM

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dzrams333February 22, 2021 06:24PM

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zn478February 22, 2021 06:37PM

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dzrams278February 22, 2021 07:20PM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn678February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

Ram_Ruler316February 22, 2021 01:23PM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

Rams43349February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam294February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

Coy Bacon438February 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Good posts Rock and Dz

zn404February 22, 2021 05:40PM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

zn324February 22, 2021 06:57PM

  Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

dzrams352February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

RockRam305February 24, 2021 01:58AM

  Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

AlbaNY_Ram300February 24, 2021 03:21AM

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Leoram310February 24, 2021 04:11AM

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zn382February 24, 2021 07:14AM

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dzrams402February 24, 2021 09:06AM

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zn419February 24, 2021 10:04AM

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dzrams304February 24, 2021 10:25AM

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zn396February 24, 2021 10:39AM

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dzrams299February 24, 2021 11:38AM

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zn522February 24, 2021 11:55AM

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dzrams262February 24, 2021 12:12PM

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zn366February 24, 2021 12:27PM

  There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

Rams43295February 24, 2021 07:44AM

  Re: There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

zn315February 24, 2021 08:08AM

  A lot of assumptions to make us seem brilliant

BumRap379February 24, 2021 09:01AM