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Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

February 23, 2021 08:05PM
Earlier in this thread zn and Leoram presented good challenges and asked good questions but in doing so misstated my position (and likely RockRams too). Their respective statements/questions were ‘does Stafford guarantee a better shot of winning a championship game?’ and ‘paying them [a Tier 1 QB] is no guarantee of consistent success.’

They both use the word ‘guarantee’ in a way that actually flips my argument. I don’t contend that a Tier 1 QB guarantees consistent success. My argument is that being a Tier 2/3 QB AND being highly paid nearly guarantees NO consistent success.

To illustrate, I went back and evaluated the contracts and salary cap numbers of zn’s list above of QBs that have gone to the Championship game or Super Bowl in the last 10 years. In total it’s 40 QBs, 4 each year.

Here’s what I found:

  • 40% of the time (16/40 QBs) the QB in the Championship game or Super Bowl was on an expensive contract (over 10% of the cap)
  • 13 out of those 16 expensive QBS were Tier 1 QBs.
  • 60% of the time (24/40 QBs) the QB in the Championship game or Super Bowl is on a cheap contract (under 10% of the cap)
  • 3 out of 40 QBs in the conference Championship game or Super Bowl were Tier 2/3 QBs AND over 10% of the cap – It’s only happened 7.5% of the time.

Conclusions:

1) By far, the best window for teams is when your QB is on his rookie contract.

2) Based on these historical numbers, Tier 1 QBs on huge contracts (more than 10% of the cap) have at least a 5 times greater chance (40% vs. 7.5%) of making it deep into the playoffs than Tier 2/3 QBs.

3) Brady is probably an all-time great QB partially because he left money on the table for his team to spend. 4 out of his 9 years he went to the conference championship game or SB, he was under that 10% total cap number.

4) Being a Tier 1 QB in itself does not guarantee a deep playoff run or the playoffs at all.

5) Being a Tier 2 or Tier 3 QB on a huge contract (more than 10% of the cap) almost GUARANTEES they will NOT make it deep into the playoffs – i.e. it’s only happened 7.5% of the time.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam1244February 22, 2021 10:58AM

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dzrams598February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam302February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams391February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan348February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro325February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn300February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus432February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn215February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro341February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn213February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams310February 23, 2021 02:22PM

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zn209February 23, 2021 02:42PM

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dzrams182February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus378February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-207February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

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zn190February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams43170February 24, 2021 05:14PM

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zn196February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram173February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams208February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro498February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

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dzrams288February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

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  Question

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zn597February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

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Rams43265February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam209February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

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dzrams261February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

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