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February 23, 2021 02:30AM
This is a fascinating thread that sums what I love and hate about this board. DZ makes a good generalized observation and ZN challenges it. It's a compliment really, because he doesn't bother challenging inane posts. I wish he would acknowledge the merit of the original post along the way but that's not his method. To each his own. The result is a healthy debate that develops deeper thinking.

For my part, the example here could possibly be the curious cases of Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson. By most standards, they are arguably tier 1 QB's and yet paying them is no guarantee of consistent success. Dak put up amazing numbers when he had a top tier OLine but never sniffed a championship. Seattle has never fielded a great OLine but the defense was formidable enough and their running game was above average.

So, I challenge both DZ and ZN to apply your logic to Dak and Russell and tell us this, pay or not pay?

By doing so, I believe my point will be made. NFL decisions are too individualized based on team composition to rely on broad generalizations. A team can have a top QB and fail quite consistently if that QB lacks a top tier OLine and defense. A team with a good defense and top OLine (like the Titans) can be formidable with a tier 2 QB but not necessarily reach the promised land.

Which brings us to the Rams. The QB investment has already been made so for Rams fans, it's a moot issue. The Chiefs at the turn of the century had a #1 offense when Trent Green was the QB and their best WR was Ram castoff Eddie Kennison. What they DID have was the best OLine in football and Tony Gonzales.The Rams have enough pieces everywhere else to win. But if the OLine isn't markedly improved toot sweet, everything else won't matter much.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2021 02:51AM by Leoram.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam818February 22, 2021 10:58AM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

dzrams203February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam138February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams98February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan42February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro77February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn53February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus41February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn33February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro38February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn32February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams25February 23, 2021 02:22PM

  Re: for the record

zn28February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams20February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus21February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-26February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus19February 24, 2021 12:50AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rampage2K-21February 24, 2021 07:31AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rams4316February 24, 2021 07:50AM

  Re: yep, I agree with that....

Rampage2K-18February 24, 2021 09:14AM

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Rams4314February 24, 2021 01:31PM

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Rampage2K-20February 24, 2021 01:58PM

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dzrams12February 24, 2021 03:00PM

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Rams4312February 24, 2021 03:31PM

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zn13February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams4314February 24, 2021 05:14PM

  Re: Know what might be interesting?

zn16February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram12February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams31February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro25February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

dzrams10February 24, 2021 09:44AM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

zn103February 22, 2021 12:07PM

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dzrams62February 22, 2021 12:37PM

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zn49February 22, 2021 12:51PM

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dzrams42February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

zn61February 22, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: I did the math myself

dzrams1186February 22, 2021 01:31PM

  Question

DaJudge46February 22, 2021 02:34PM

  Re: Question

dzrams35February 22, 2021 03:07PM

  Re: Question

zn28February 22, 2021 07:09PM

  Re: Question

dzrams29February 22, 2021 07:31PM

  Re: Question

Leoram24February 23, 2021 02:30AM

  Re: Question

zn29February 23, 2021 04:18AM

  Re: Question

dzrams15February 23, 2021 08:12PM

  Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

BumRap16February 24, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Cowboys about to find out if they don't sign Dak

dzrams11February 24, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn42February 22, 2021 02:48PM

  Re: I did the math myself

dzrams32February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn22February 22, 2021 03:58PM

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dzrams26February 22, 2021 06:24PM

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zn24February 22, 2021 06:37PM

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dzrams23February 22, 2021 07:20PM

  Re: I did the math myself

zn18February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

Ram_Ruler51February 22, 2021 01:23PM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

Rams4339February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam11February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

Coy Bacon65February 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Good posts Rock and Dz

zn48February 22, 2021 05:40PM

  Re: Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

zn35February 22, 2021 06:57PM

  Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

dzrams56February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

RockRam24February 24, 2021 01:58AM

  Re: Crunching more numbers, Doubling down on the theory...

AlbaNY_Ram19February 24, 2021 03:21AM

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Leoram22February 24, 2021 04:11AM

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zn28February 24, 2021 07:14AM

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dzrams17February 24, 2021 09:06AM

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zn10February 24, 2021 10:04AM

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dzrams10February 24, 2021 10:25AM

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zn11February 24, 2021 10:39AM

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dzrams9February 24, 2021 11:38AM

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zn9February 24, 2021 11:55AM

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dzrams11February 24, 2021 12:12PM

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zn15February 24, 2021 12:27PM

  There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

Rams4342February 24, 2021 07:44AM

  Re: There are several things about McVay that I ‘know’ to be true...

zn28February 24, 2021 08:08AM

  A lot of assumptions to make us seem brilliant

BumRap30February 24, 2021 09:01AM