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Re: I did the math myself

February 22, 2021 03:11PM
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I'll do it myself.

QBs to reach a championship game in the last 10 years.

Flacco x 2
Brady x 9
Eli
Smith
Kaepernick x2
Ryan x2
Manning x2
Wilson x 2
Luck
Rodgers x4
Newton
Palmer
Roethlisberger
Foles/Wentz
Keenum
Bortles
Mahomes x3
Goff
Brees
Tannehill
Garappolo
Allen

That's 22 qbs. There's only 3 who made it more than twice--Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes. What are the odds for or against drafting a Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes?

So what do the other 29 teams do...just quit?

And the list includes some top tier qbs who at most made it twice but usually just made it once: I count Brees, Roethlisberger, Palmer, Luck, Wilson, and Ryan.

Both Rock and I are saying the same thing and it wasn't to just quit.

A careful reading would alert you to our position that we wouldn't give a huge 2nd contract to most of those QBs. I'd rather keep churning like KC did when they had Alex Smith but drafted Mahomes.

On that list, the only QBs I for sure would commit huge dollars to are:

Brady
Manning
Wilson
Rodgers
Mahomes
Brees
Roethlisberger - this one is a maybe.

The first 6 names account for 5/8 of the QBs who have been to the championship game multiple times.

There are some good QBs on the list that I would move on from after they were no longer cheap.

I didn't say you were saying just quit. That was a quip intended to drive home a point. Or rather several points. First, tier 1 qbs do not guarantee you anything. Look at the list of guys who only got there once or twice.

Your list? Take out the big 3, and it's 6 out of a possible 40 spots (40 because 4 x 10 years).

You end up with the same numbers on your list if you take out Brees, Roethlisberger, Manning, and Wilson and put in Flacco, Ryan, Bortles, and Keenum.

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I'm not looking for guarantees. But a Tier 1 QB does give you the best chance of competing deep into the playoffs on an annual basis.

Secondly, I know Bortles and Keenum for sure were not expensive when they led their teams to the SB so they don't fit the parameters. I'm specifically speaking of not paying that caliber of QB a huge 2nd contract like what happened with Goff/Wentz. Of the top of my head I don't know if Flacco or Ryan were highly paid when they got there multiple times but I see them as exceptions.

EDIT: I have no problem building around a Tier 2 or 3 QB if they're cheap. In such cases, you'd have the entire salary cap to afford great players in other positions. Once the QB becomes just as expensive as Rodgers or Mahomes, he doesn't need to be equally as good but he certainly needs to be in their range - i.e. Tier 1.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2021 03:16PM by dzrams.
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  Interesting as teams try to plug QB holes

RockRam815February 22, 2021 10:58AM

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dzrams202February 22, 2021 11:36AM

  Agreed!

RockRam137February 22, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Agreed!

dzrams97February 22, 2021 12:45PM

  Re: Agreed!

oldschoolramfan42February 23, 2021 04:53AM

  Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

Saguaro77February 23, 2021 06:33AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

zn53February 23, 2021 06:44AM

  a thought on yer post, Sag...btw good to read ya again!...

SunTzu_vs_Camus41February 23, 2021 08:15AM

  I think this is a good point

zn33February 23, 2021 10:39AM

  Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Saguaro38February 23, 2021 12:27PM

  for the record

zn32February 23, 2021 02:05PM

  Re: for the record

dzrams25February 23, 2021 02:22PM

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zn27February 23, 2021 02:42PM

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dzrams20February 23, 2021 02:45PM

  agreed, zn...

SunTzu_vs_Camus21February 24, 2021 01:01AM

  Re: Good post. Thx, STvC, and hope all is well with you, too!

Rampage2K-26February 23, 2021 06:16PM

  yep, I agree with that....

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zn13February 24, 2021 04:17PM

  Know what might be interesting?

Rams4314February 24, 2021 05:14PM

  Re: Know what might be interesting?

zn16February 24, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Looking at this from another angle ...

AlbaNY_Ram12February 26, 2021 03:44AM

  Re: Sorry, dz, but you got the proverb and its meaning exactly backwards.

dzrams31February 23, 2021 02:42PM

  Lotta good points there, something I disagree with tho...

Saguaro25February 24, 2021 09:39AM

  Re: Fair point....nm

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dzrams41February 22, 2021 01:06PM

  I did the math myself

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dzrams883February 22, 2021 01:31PM

  Question

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zn16February 22, 2021 07:23PM

  You're absolutely right.

Ram_Ruler51February 22, 2021 01:23PM

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Rams4339February 22, 2021 03:11PM

  Interesting Premise... I Agree

LoboRam11February 23, 2021 06:28PM

  Good posts Rock and Dz

Coy Bacon65February 22, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: Good posts Rock and Dz

zn48February 22, 2021 05:40PM

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zn35February 22, 2021 06:57PM

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dzrams56February 23, 2021 08:05PM

  Wow. That's some amazing research you did.

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zn28February 24, 2021 08:08AM

  A lot of assumptions to make us seem brilliant

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