June 07, 2021 09:14PM
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...so, of course it's not to be trusted. tongue sticking out smiley

But, for me it was not the calling out of the INTs and mistakes after games so much - that's common stuff...and comes with the game of football.
For me, it was the cryptic stuff after the season that I thought was a little petty and not cool on McVay's part. Snead & McVay would be a bit too sly in how they spoke of Goff and his future....I thought that was a bit disrespectful and coulda been handled much better by NOT doing that.

Also, I do not recall them doing that with other players the way they did that with Goff.

I think your opinions and perceptions are pretty astute. After the season, they didn't do the typical, respectful coach/GM speak which they usually engage in for potentially departing players. And I agree that it did come across as a bit disrespectful and that is something which we hadn't seen before.

I appreciate the clarification. I didn't recall anything McVay did that came across as personal or disdain during the season so wanted to clarify that we were thinking of the same things that occurred after the season.

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I think McVay got the best from Goff and when the NFL caught up to what they did and took it away...McVay got frustrated that Goff could not carry out the new/improved game plans designed to keep the defense off balance. So, defenses just started taking things away and McVay's offense got smaller and smaller. McVay saw that he couldn't adapt his offense or that Goff wasn't the guy capable to run the different offensive counters to what the defense was taking away. Divorce was imminent at that point. We'll sure get a real sense of how all the people involved(Goff, McVay, Stafford) and a better idea of everyone's talent/ability in the situations this coming year....

I wholeheartedly agree with this part. This is not just your opinion. This has been confirmed by Rodrigue as the opinion of the Rams decision makers.

Basically, McVay felt that the league had caught up to his scheme in many ways, that he needed to change and adapt, that continual changing and adapting would be necessary, and that he didn't believe that Goff could keep up with him in implementing those changes. It's more than a disconnect. The main issue is Snead/McVay didn't believe in Goff's above the shoulders capabilities or as you stated "he wasn't the guy capable to run the different offensive counters."

Not so sure it was McVay changing and adapting to defenses , it was more adapting to life without a dynamic back like Gurley and a loss of true speed on the outside. Yes, we can spin it other ways, but both 2019 and 2020 Goff and McVay were missing those key elements to what made this team so special in 2017-2018....For some reason, Goff get's most of the blame for the regression and there is no denying his inconsistent play, but I see it more than just a Goff issue..the entire offense was inconsistent ..It's no coincidence that we spent most of our little FA budget that we had on an aging DeSean Jackson and our first pick on a Jackson Jr.... I remember watching the Niners game and Gregg Jennings say "the Rams don't have anyone who scares a defense" when referring to the Rams weapons and it is true and made it easy for good defenses to defend
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Hopefully with the emergence of Cam Akers and with some speed back on the outside, we can once again get back to what made this offense click....



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  One thing I have to say about McVay....

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  That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

roman18315June 06, 2021 04:23AM

  Very good point

NewMexicoRam561June 06, 2021 04:46AM

  what I find odd about the Goff/McVay relationship...was

SunTzu_vs_Camus368June 06, 2021 05:49AM

  +1 (nm)

zn162June 06, 2021 06:08AM

  Well I would expect a guy who invests....

roman18213June 06, 2021 07:44AM

  I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

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Rams43155June 06, 2021 01:30PM

  Our QB needs to take better care of the football

PHDram281June 06, 2021 03:49PM

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zn361June 06, 2021 04:23PM

  I forget which talking head said it but...

PA48420June 06, 2021 05:00PM

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zn176June 06, 2021 05:21PM

  Tom Brady comes to mind . . .

stlramz181June 06, 2021 12:56PM

  different view

zn173June 06, 2021 01:04PM

  Re: come on, keep up

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  Re: come on, keep up

PA48182June 06, 2021 05:07PM

  Its known as the "Appeal to purity fallacy"

stlramz221June 06, 2021 07:01PM

  Omg that is great!

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  Re: Omg that is great!

moklerman174June 07, 2021 07:57AM

  the "fallacy" fallacy

zn184June 06, 2021 08:05PM

  It's been 6 months

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Ekern55200June 07, 2021 05:16PM

  Thanks

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dzrams161June 07, 2021 06:51AM

  Thirry's Scripture

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dzrams165June 07, 2021 08:40AM

  fair enough NM

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zn135June 07, 2021 09:13AM

  once again...perspective

PHDram156June 07, 2021 09:21AM

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zn250June 07, 2021 09:41AM

  Re: I'm sensing some shifting...

dzrams160June 07, 2021 11:42AM

  sorry semantics guy, no go

zn203June 08, 2021 04:35AM

  hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

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zn445June 08, 2021 10:15PM

  I think he is similar to Belichick

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  Too much logic

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Steve221June 06, 2021 04:39AM

  Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy"

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  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-559June 06, 2021 01:16PM

  It's all about perspective

moklerman154June 06, 2021 01:27PM

  Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

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moklerman168June 07, 2021 10:12AM

  This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

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  Stafford asked to be traded a week after the "he's the qb right now" comment

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