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hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

June 07, 2021 09:45AM
...so, of course it's not to be trusted. tongue sticking out smiley

But, for me it was not the calling out of the INTs and mistakes after games so much - that's common stuff...and comes with the game of football.
For me, it was the cryptic stuff after the season that I thought was a little petty and not cool on McVay's part. Snead & McVay would be a bit too sly in how they spoke of Goff and his future....I thought that was a bit disrespectful and coulda been handled much better by NOT doing that.

Also, I do not recall them doing that with other players the way they did that with Goff. I know they were coy with regards to Gurley at times but they always were quick to say how much he meant to the team and what a pro TG was, etc...ya know, all the PC/kind stuff HCs say when moving on from players. I feel that McVay couldn't bring himself to give any good vibes towards Goff leading up to the trade and even for a few weeks after the trade. I think it just got real personal with McVay towards Goff in the end and it showed...and that's why I think even McVay said he coulda communicated better. Yeah, no kidding bro!! lol

THAT being said, I do think that Goff may have been a frustrating player for McVay's personality...and it was okay when they were winning but the bottom dropped out when they lost and McVay's disdain grew to such an extent that they woulda gave the Lions 4 - #1 picks to take Goff. It was over.

And, Alyo will tell you - as we watched the games together - that I started commenting on Goff's poor play more & more. I was very surprised by Goff's poor play in many games - even games we won. Goff was making poor reads and seemed like the game was moving too fast for him. Goff appeared to me to be losing his hold on the very simple basics. Hell, even I was getting frustrated with Goff due to his inconsistencies week to week. I have always been a very big fan of Goff's accuracy and ability to stand in the pocket and deliver....but Goff was so lumbering when out of the pocket or scrambling that it became a HUGE liability to me. I just wanted him to throw the ball away when he hit the top of his drop if the pass was not there...rather than try and extend the play with his plodding movement skills. imo

I think McVay got the best from Goff and when the NFL caught up to what they did and took it away...McVay got frustrated that Goff could not carry out the new/improved game plans designed to keep the defense off balance. So, defenses just started taking things away and McVay's offense got smaller and smaller. McVay saw that he couldn't adapt his offense or that Goff wasn't the guy capable to run the different offensive counters to what the defense was taking away. Divorce was imminent at that point. We'll sure get a real sense of how all the people involved(Goff, McVay, Stafford) and a better idea of everyone's talent/ability in the situations this coming year.

All this is just my opinion on what things looked like from my couch last year.




"L'audace, l'audace. Toujours l'audace!"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2021 09:50AM by SunTzu_vs_Camus.
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  One thing I have to say about McVay....

NewMexicoRam1352June 05, 2021 09:15AM

  That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

roman18313June 06, 2021 04:23AM

  Very good point

NewMexicoRam559June 06, 2021 04:46AM

  what I find odd about the Goff/McVay relationship...was

SunTzu_vs_Camus365June 06, 2021 05:49AM

  +1 (nm)

zn162June 06, 2021 06:08AM

  Well I would expect a guy who invests....

roman18212June 06, 2021 07:44AM

  I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

stlramz197June 06, 2021 08:24AM

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zn195June 06, 2021 08:43AM

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Ekern55153June 06, 2021 09:25AM

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zn281June 06, 2021 09:41AM

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Ekern55164June 06, 2021 04:59PM

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Rams43181June 06, 2021 10:00AM

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zn492June 06, 2021 12:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

Rams43153June 06, 2021 01:30PM

  Our QB needs to take better care of the football

PHDram279June 06, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

zn359June 06, 2021 04:23PM

  I forget which talking head said it but...

PA48418June 06, 2021 05:00PM

  Re: I forget which talking head said it but...

zn174June 06, 2021 05:21PM

  Tom Brady comes to mind . . .

stlramz180June 06, 2021 12:56PM

  different view

zn171June 06, 2021 01:04PM

  Re: come on, keep up

moklerman163June 06, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: come on, keep up

PA48179June 06, 2021 05:07PM

  Its known as the "Appeal to purity fallacy"

stlramz219June 06, 2021 07:01PM

  Omg that is great!

PHDram167June 06, 2021 07:48PM

  Re: Omg that is great!

moklerman170June 07, 2021 07:57AM

  the "fallacy" fallacy

zn182June 06, 2021 08:05PM

  It's been 6 months

PHDram184June 07, 2021 03:54AM

  Re: It's been 6 months

Ekern55137June 07, 2021 05:17PM

  Re: the "fallacy" fallacy

Ekern55198June 07, 2021 05:16PM

  Thanks

moklerman170June 07, 2021 07:59AM

  Re: I'm really curious here...

dzrams178June 06, 2021 07:48PM

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zn158June 07, 2021 01:34AM

  Re: Are you Sun...?

dzrams159June 07, 2021 06:51AM

  Thirry's Scripture

PHDram168June 07, 2021 08:18AM

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dzrams141June 07, 2021 08:25AM

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PHDram220June 07, 2021 08:33AM

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dzrams163June 07, 2021 08:40AM

  fair enough NM

PHDram180June 07, 2021 08:44AM

  Re: Thirry's Scripture

zn133June 07, 2021 09:13AM

  once again...perspective

PHDram154June 07, 2021 09:21AM

  are you the who's allowed to post commission?

zn249June 07, 2021 09:41AM

  Re: I'm sensing some shifting...

dzrams158June 07, 2021 11:42AM

  sorry semantics guy, no go

zn201June 08, 2021 04:35AM

  hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

SunTzu_vs_Camus165June 07, 2021 09:45AM

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dzrams212June 07, 2021 10:49AM

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PHDram144June 07, 2021 01:07PM

  Re: interesting reading.....

leafnose146June 07, 2021 01:24PM

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Rampage2K-313June 07, 2021 09:14PM

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dzrams243June 08, 2021 07:15AM

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Rampage2K-144June 08, 2021 08:45AM

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dzrams222June 08, 2021 09:09AM

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zn443June 08, 2021 10:15PM

  I think he is similar to Belichick

merlin202June 06, 2021 08:41AM

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zn160June 06, 2021 09:52AM

  Too much logic

RockRam166June 06, 2021 03:16PM

  Re: That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

no name148June 08, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: One thing I have to say about McVay....

Steve218June 06, 2021 04:39AM

  Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy"

BlueRidgeHorns320June 06, 2021 08:49AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-556June 06, 2021 01:16PM

  It's all about perspective

moklerman152June 06, 2021 01:27PM

  Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User212June 06, 2021 02:33PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

zn207June 06, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User463June 06, 2021 03:15PM

  i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

PHDram145June 07, 2021 07:10AM

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moklerman229June 07, 2021 09:52AM

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PHDram109June 07, 2021 01:17PM

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dzrams146June 07, 2021 01:27PM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams185June 06, 2021 07:58PM

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zn154June 07, 2021 03:20AM

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Rams43152June 07, 2021 05:55AM

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dzrams390June 07, 2021 07:11AM

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Rampage2K-203June 07, 2021 07:32AM

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dzrams152June 07, 2021 08:18AM

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Rampage2K-183June 07, 2021 09:15AM

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dzrams165June 07, 2021 09:25AM

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moklerman166June 07, 2021 10:12AM

  This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Anonymous User184June 07, 2021 04:43PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Rampage2K-282June 07, 2021 08:48PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

moklerman172June 07, 2021 11:28PM

  Stafford asked to be traded a week after the "he's the qb right now" comment

zn610June 07, 2021 10:31AM

  Re: No...he asked right after the season ended...

dzrams164June 07, 2021 11:04AM

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zn176June 07, 2021 11:22AM

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dzrams181June 07, 2021 12:00PM

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zn167June 07, 2021 02:16PM

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