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that I can't remember McVay behaving that way in public towards any other player like the way McVay handled Goff.
It seems like it had become very personal with McVay. McVay sounded quite bitter and angry.
IIRC....Goff was the only player McVay ever called out publicly like that. It was really odd behavior from McVay from what I recall.
Whether it was justified or not I'm sure both sides could've handled it better...we fans will never know. In the end, I dunno, nor care too much.
Sun, I'm really curious, what are the things you recall that McVay did in public to make you feel it was personal with him or that he was bitter or angry? Was it in-season calling out stuff or after the season when he started referring to Goff as the QB and not by name?
I, like everyone else, recall McVay calling him out to take care of the ball better. Was there any other time he called him out during the season?
Remember the early game (forget which one) where Goff ran out of bounds on a broken play and he had a chance to toss to (I think) Kupp, who was behind a defender. McV was asked in the game presser if the qb should have thrown that one, and McV got into this "what do YOU think? Of course you make that play." I remember being a bit taken aback at how he sounded out of professional character and was being kind of Richardy about it (so to speak). His tone was way off. That was an early inkling, and I thought okay odd, but no big deal.
But then we found out he frequently berated him in front of the team. That's in Thirry's article. Quote:
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On the sideline, McVay would routinely yell at his quarterback, but some noticed there came a point when McVay wouldn’t circle back to apologize. Some chalked it up to the competitive environment, others to McVay’s inability to hide his frustration with Goff.
For Goff, it became increasingly difficult how often his coach took aim at him — whether on the sideline, in meetings or the practice field.
“Sean lost touch with how much he was breaking Jared down, but there’s got to be the build back up,” a league source said. “[McVay] was either unaware or disinterested in protecting Jared’s confidence.”
Now and then McV's public tone in pressers would get a little edgy--but we did not know how far that went until Thiry actually interviewed multiple sources about the situation (and think how many coaches are in the league who worked with the Rams under McVay before moving on--there are multiple potential sources.) With every other writer, we either heard from the McVay camp, or heard from the Goff camp, but not much else. Thiry did real reporting and went wide in her source base, which of course, as I said, with a long list of ex-Rams coaches, she could easily do.
Thiry's remarks above expand the entire issue.
(Though there will be some who dismiss the article, because of course, what else are they going to do. Yet no one has stepped up to say Thiry got anything wrong. Not players, not coaches, not "unnamed sources," not "unnamed Rams sources," not Demoff, not Snead...nothin. You do not
NOT call out an espn article if it has errors in it or bad info.)
Oh, and, no one is complaining about the qb has to take care of the ball remarks. The only time that comes up is you guys who say there was no disdain, and you offer than as example of criticism just being criticism. But on that you're arguing with shadows, because yeah there was nothing wrong with that remark, and not a single person here is saying there
was anything wrong with that remark. You're trying the "don't mistake criticism for disdain" approach, which is way off base, because everyone who sees issues with the Goff/McV relationship DOES know that difference.
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