June 07, 2021 09:45AM
...so, of course it's not to be trusted. tongue sticking out smiley

But, for me it was not the calling out of the INTs and mistakes after games so much - that's common stuff...and comes with the game of football.
For me, it was the cryptic stuff after the season that I thought was a little petty and not cool on McVay's part. Snead & McVay would be a bit too sly in how they spoke of Goff and his future....I thought that was a bit disrespectful and coulda been handled much better by NOT doing that.

Also, I do not recall them doing that with other players the way they did that with Goff. I know they were coy with regards to Gurley at times but they always were quick to say how much he meant to the team and what a pro TG was, etc...ya know, all the PC/kind stuff HCs say when moving on from players. I feel that McVay couldn't bring himself to give any good vibes towards Goff leading up to the trade and even for a few weeks after the trade. I think it just got real personal with McVay towards Goff in the end and it showed...and that's why I think even McVay said he coulda communicated better. Yeah, no kidding bro!! lol

THAT being said, I do think that Goff may have been a frustrating player for McVay's personality...and it was okay when they were winning but the bottom dropped out when they lost and McVay's disdain grew to such an extent that they woulda gave the Lions 4 - #1 picks to take Goff. It was over.

And, Alyo will tell you - as we watched the games together - that I started commenting on Goff's poor play more & more. I was very surprised by Goff's poor play in many games - even games we won. Goff was making poor reads and seemed like the game was moving too fast for him. Goff appeared to me to be losing his hold on the very simple basics. Hell, even I was getting frustrated with Goff due to his inconsistencies week to week. I have always been a very big fan of Goff's accuracy and ability to stand in the pocket and deliver....but Goff was so lumbering when out of the pocket or scrambling that it became a HUGE liability to me. I just wanted him to throw the ball away when he hit the top of his drop if the pass was not there...rather than try and extend the play with his plodding movement skills. imo

I think McVay got the best from Goff and when the NFL caught up to what they did and took it away...McVay got frustrated that Goff could not carry out the new/improved game plans designed to keep the defense off balance. So, defenses just started taking things away and McVay's offense got smaller and smaller. McVay saw that he couldn't adapt his offense or that Goff wasn't the guy capable to run the different offensive counters to what the defense was taking away. Divorce was imminent at that point. We'll sure get a real sense of how all the people involved(Goff, McVay, Stafford) and a better idea of everyone's talent/ability in the situations this coming year.

All this is just my opinion on what things looked like from my couch last year.




"L'audace, l'audace. Toujours l'audace!"



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  One thing I have to say about McVay....

NewMexicoRam1357June 05, 2021 09:15AM

  That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

roman18315June 06, 2021 04:23AM

  Very good point

NewMexicoRam562June 06, 2021 04:46AM

  what I find odd about the Goff/McVay relationship...was

SunTzu_vs_Camus368June 06, 2021 05:49AM

  +1 (nm)

zn163June 06, 2021 06:08AM

  Well I would expect a guy who invests....

roman18213June 06, 2021 07:44AM

  I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

stlramz199June 06, 2021 08:24AM

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zn198June 06, 2021 08:43AM

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Ekern55155June 06, 2021 09:25AM

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zn283June 06, 2021 09:41AM

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Ekern55166June 06, 2021 04:59PM

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Rams43183June 06, 2021 10:00AM

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zn494June 06, 2021 12:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

Rams43155June 06, 2021 01:30PM

  Our QB needs to take better care of the football

PHDram281June 06, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

zn362June 06, 2021 04:23PM

  I forget which talking head said it but...

PA48420June 06, 2021 05:00PM

  Re: I forget which talking head said it but...

zn176June 06, 2021 05:21PM

  Tom Brady comes to mind . . .

stlramz182June 06, 2021 12:56PM

  different view

zn173June 06, 2021 01:04PM

  Re: come on, keep up

moklerman165June 06, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: come on, keep up

PA48183June 06, 2021 05:07PM

  Its known as the "Appeal to purity fallacy"

stlramz221June 06, 2021 07:01PM

  Omg that is great!

PHDram169June 06, 2021 07:48PM

  Re: Omg that is great!

moklerman174June 07, 2021 07:57AM

  the "fallacy" fallacy

zn186June 06, 2021 08:05PM

  It's been 6 months

PHDram186June 07, 2021 03:54AM

  Re: It's been 6 months

Ekern55140June 07, 2021 05:17PM

  Re: the "fallacy" fallacy

Ekern55200June 07, 2021 05:16PM

  Thanks

moklerman172June 07, 2021 07:59AM

  Re: I'm really curious here...

dzrams180June 06, 2021 07:48PM

  Re: I'm really curious here...

zn160June 07, 2021 01:34AM

  Re: Are you Sun...?

dzrams161June 07, 2021 06:51AM

  Thirry's Scripture

PHDram171June 07, 2021 08:18AM

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dzrams144June 07, 2021 08:25AM

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PHDram223June 07, 2021 08:33AM

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dzrams166June 07, 2021 08:40AM

  fair enough NM

PHDram183June 07, 2021 08:44AM

  Re: Thirry's Scripture

zn135June 07, 2021 09:13AM

  once again...perspective

PHDram156June 07, 2021 09:21AM

  are you the who's allowed to post commission?

zn251June 07, 2021 09:41AM

  Re: I'm sensing some shifting...

dzrams160June 07, 2021 11:42AM

  sorry semantics guy, no go

zn203June 08, 2021 04:35AM

  hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

SunTzu_vs_Camus168June 07, 2021 09:45AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

dzrams216June 07, 2021 10:49AM

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PHDram147June 07, 2021 01:07PM

  Re: interesting reading.....

leafnose148June 07, 2021 01:24PM

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Rampage2K-315June 07, 2021 09:14PM

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dzrams245June 08, 2021 07:15AM

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Rampage2K-147June 08, 2021 08:45AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

dzrams224June 08, 2021 09:09AM

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zn446June 08, 2021 10:15PM

  I think he is similar to Belichick

merlin205June 06, 2021 08:41AM

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zn162June 06, 2021 09:52AM

  Too much logic

RockRam168June 06, 2021 03:16PM

  Re: That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

no name150June 08, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: One thing I have to say about McVay....

Steve221June 06, 2021 04:39AM

  Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy"

BlueRidgeHorns323June 06, 2021 08:49AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-559June 06, 2021 01:16PM

  It's all about perspective

moklerman154June 06, 2021 01:27PM

  Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User214June 06, 2021 02:33PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

zn210June 06, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User465June 06, 2021 03:15PM

  i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

PHDram148June 07, 2021 07:10AM

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moklerman231June 07, 2021 09:52AM

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PHDram111June 07, 2021 01:17PM

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dzrams148June 07, 2021 01:27PM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams187June 06, 2021 07:58PM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

zn157June 07, 2021 03:20AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rams43155June 07, 2021 05:55AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams392June 07, 2021 07:11AM

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Rampage2K-206June 07, 2021 07:32AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams154June 07, 2021 08:18AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-186June 07, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams167June 07, 2021 09:25AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

moklerman168June 07, 2021 10:12AM

  This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Anonymous User186June 07, 2021 04:43PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Rampage2K-284June 07, 2021 08:48PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

moklerman175June 07, 2021 11:28PM

  Stafford asked to be traded a week after the "he's the qb right now" comment

zn613June 07, 2021 10:31AM

  Re: No...he asked right after the season ended...

dzrams165June 07, 2021 11:04AM

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zn178June 07, 2021 11:22AM

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dzrams182June 07, 2021 12:00PM

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zn169June 07, 2021 02:16PM

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dzrams256June 07, 2021 02:23PM

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zn170June 07, 2021 04:28PM