June 06, 2021 08:43AM
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stlramz
It was clear that he was handling Goff (at the end) differently then he had been and differently then he handled virtually everyone else - but I look at it as someone who has used up his entire tool chest of attaboys and wasn't getting the results.

Some people react differently. I am one that thrives off of insults and derision (though I certainly prefer praise) -- others shrink from that type of criticism.

The only way to find out, if nothing else is working - is to try it.

McVay did - it didn't work - maybe even backfired and that was the end.

Of course, I could be wrong and McVay was just pissed at Goff and was venting.

Name a qb who thrived because of public insults and derision. I do know the story where Bart Starr took Lombardi aside and said criticize away, but never in front of the team.

I can name 2 qb coaches who knew Goff shouldn't be handled that way--Greg Olson (2017) and Zac Taylor (2018).

I know that a Rams coach or more likely former Rams coach who said McV knew how to tear down the qb but not build him back up (confidence issue). They didn't say "tried it to see what would work," they said did not know how to.

Also I disagree with the assumption that a frustrated McV was driven to this. He appointed himself the qb coach, which means he ought to know how to fix things without berating the qb. I think it's as likely if not more likely that on his own an impatient McVay screwed with the qb's confidence. In public no less.

We can't say how much of Goff's inconsistency in 2020 was from himself or from McV not knowing how to be a qb coach. I know some people like to get McV off the hook by saying he was just reacting to Goff's inconsistent play. They can never prove that and as I said it is just as likely that McV being impatient screwed things up.

I do know that McV said he had communication issues. Well he was the qb coach. One of his absolute top priorities as a qb coach is to communicate!

Either way, qb and coach did not mesh. Luckily Stafford was available. In terms of being in communication with the qb, McV is just not going to have those kinds of issues with a veteran like Stafford, who has been there and seen it all and dealt with genuinely bad head coaches like Patricia. (One of the reasons Patricia failed as a head coach, btw, was his penchant for berating players in public.)

I know I have to add things about how McV is a great coach, though with some flaws I assume he will grow out of. I have to add that because if you don't then someone is going to mischaracterize this as an anti-McV rant, and so the point of real conversation is lost.

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  One thing I have to say about McVay....

NewMexicoRam1356June 05, 2021 09:15AM

  That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

roman18314June 06, 2021 04:23AM

  Very good point

NewMexicoRam561June 06, 2021 04:46AM

  what I find odd about the Goff/McVay relationship...was

SunTzu_vs_Camus368June 06, 2021 05:49AM

  +1 (nm)

zn162June 06, 2021 06:08AM

  Well I would expect a guy who invests....

roman18212June 06, 2021 07:44AM

  I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

stlramz198June 06, 2021 08:24AM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

zn196June 06, 2021 08:43AM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

Ekern55154June 06, 2021 09:25AM

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zn282June 06, 2021 09:41AM

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Ekern55165June 06, 2021 04:59PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

Rams43182June 06, 2021 10:00AM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

zn494June 06, 2021 12:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

Rams43154June 06, 2021 01:30PM

  Our QB needs to take better care of the football

PHDram281June 06, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: I agree with your comments about McVay and Goff

zn361June 06, 2021 04:23PM

  I forget which talking head said it but...

PA48419June 06, 2021 05:00PM

  Re: I forget which talking head said it but...

zn176June 06, 2021 05:21PM

  Tom Brady comes to mind . . .

stlramz181June 06, 2021 12:56PM

  different view

zn173June 06, 2021 01:04PM

  Re: come on, keep up

moklerman165June 06, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: come on, keep up

PA48182June 06, 2021 05:07PM

  Its known as the "Appeal to purity fallacy"

stlramz221June 06, 2021 07:01PM

  Omg that is great!

PHDram168June 06, 2021 07:48PM

  Re: Omg that is great!

moklerman173June 07, 2021 07:57AM

  the "fallacy" fallacy

zn184June 06, 2021 08:05PM

  It's been 6 months

PHDram185June 07, 2021 03:54AM

  Re: It's been 6 months

Ekern55139June 07, 2021 05:17PM

  Re: the "fallacy" fallacy

Ekern55200June 07, 2021 05:16PM

  Thanks

moklerman172June 07, 2021 07:59AM

  Re: I'm really curious here...

dzrams180June 06, 2021 07:48PM

  Re: I'm really curious here...

zn160June 07, 2021 01:34AM

  Re: Are you Sun...?

dzrams161June 07, 2021 06:51AM

  Thirry's Scripture

PHDram171June 07, 2021 08:18AM

  Re: Thirry's Scripture

dzrams143June 07, 2021 08:25AM

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PHDram222June 07, 2021 08:33AM

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dzrams165June 07, 2021 08:40AM

  fair enough NM

PHDram183June 07, 2021 08:44AM

  Re: Thirry's Scripture

zn135June 07, 2021 09:13AM

  once again...perspective

PHDram155June 07, 2021 09:21AM

  are you the who's allowed to post commission?

zn250June 07, 2021 09:41AM

  Re: I'm sensing some shifting...

dzrams160June 07, 2021 11:42AM

  sorry semantics guy, no go

zn203June 08, 2021 04:35AM

  hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

SunTzu_vs_Camus167June 07, 2021 09:45AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

dzrams215June 07, 2021 10:49AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

PHDram146June 07, 2021 01:07PM

  Re: interesting reading.....

leafnose147June 07, 2021 01:24PM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

Rampage2K-314June 07, 2021 09:14PM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

dzrams244June 08, 2021 07:15AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

Rampage2K-146June 08, 2021 08:45AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

dzrams223June 08, 2021 09:09AM

  Re: hey DZ, it's more a "feeling"...that I'm basing my thoughts on here

zn445June 08, 2021 10:15PM

  I think he is similar to Belichick

merlin204June 06, 2021 08:41AM

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zn161June 06, 2021 09:52AM

  Too much logic

RockRam168June 06, 2021 03:16PM

  Re: That's a huge reason why the idea he doesn't/didn't....

no name149June 08, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: One thing I have to say about McVay....

Steve221June 06, 2021 04:39AM

  Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy"

BlueRidgeHorns322June 06, 2021 08:49AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-558June 06, 2021 01:16PM

  It's all about perspective

moklerman154June 06, 2021 01:27PM

  Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User214June 06, 2021 02:33PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

zn208June 06, 2021 02:46PM

  Re: Remember, McVay actually he signed off on Goff. Hmmm not so sure

Anonymous User464June 06, 2021 03:15PM

  i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

PHDram147June 07, 2021 07:10AM

  Re: i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

moklerman230June 07, 2021 09:52AM

  Re: i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

PHDram110June 07, 2021 01:17PM

  Re: i think its fait to say that Goff WAS mcvays guy

dzrams147June 07, 2021 01:27PM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams186June 06, 2021 07:58PM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

zn156June 07, 2021 03:20AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rams43154June 07, 2021 05:55AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams391June 07, 2021 07:11AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-206June 07, 2021 07:32AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams154June 07, 2021 08:18AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

Rampage2K-185June 07, 2021 09:15AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

dzrams167June 07, 2021 09:25AM

  Re: Let's remember, Goff wasn't McVay's "guy" actually he signed off

moklerman167June 07, 2021 10:12AM

  This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Anonymous User186June 07, 2021 04:43PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

Rampage2K-284June 07, 2021 08:48PM

  Re: This is another interesting view & angle by you moklerman

moklerman173June 07, 2021 11:28PM

  Stafford asked to be traded a week after the "he's the qb right now" comment

zn612June 07, 2021 10:31AM

  Re: No...he asked right after the season ended...

dzrams165June 07, 2021 11:04AM

  Re: No...he asked right after the season ended...

zn177June 07, 2021 11:22AM

  Re: No...he asked right after the season ended...

dzrams182June 07, 2021 12:00PM

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zn169June 07, 2021 02:16PM

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dzrams256June 07, 2021 02:23PM

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zn170June 07, 2021 04:28PM