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no that's not my point

January 19, 2021 07:54PM
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Coy Bacon
I didn't change the subject at all. Another poster pointed out what is obvious to most of us is that Goff has had good games and they too should be accounted for.

You've also claimed that the turnover problem with Goff has been fixed. I'm not so sure it has been fixed but he certainly has improved himself near the end of the season.

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Depending on what you meant by that--the underlined bit--it's not my point in this discussion that his good games should be accounted for.

What I was discussing in this thread had to do with what his turnover stats mean.

The problem is, that's one set of stats that can lead to false conclusions.

For one thing 2019 got thrown in with 2020. Those are 2 different animals. The OL was in disarray last year and got a temporary fix by replacing injured starters with inexperienced you players. If your OL is disrupted to that extent so is the qb.

For another thing, yes, as you say, I argue that the apparent TO problem reduces to 2 especially bad games (7 TOs in 2 games), and that the issues causing those bad games have been addressed and fixed. More on that if you are interested though I've explained my view on that a few times.

If 2019 is a different animal, and if in 2020 the real issues were in 2 games and those issues got addressed and fixed, then just nailing together the stats on TOs from 2 years does not present an accurate picture.

If you wanted to know how your car was performing and did some numbers before a tune-up and then after a tune-up, would you get a clear picture from averaging the 2 sets of numbers together? If you did average them you would disguise the effect of a before and after.

If I am right and the issues causing the 2 bad turnover games have been fixed, then you don't get a clear picture by averaging those numbers together. There's a before and after.

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SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Video: Orlovsky on Goff

max837January 19, 2021 06:11AM

  Great insights and says Rams will not likely move on from Goff

stlramz260January 19, 2021 06:25AM

  people DO realize, right, that the turnovers STOPPED?

zn275January 19, 2021 06:42AM

  the Rams got away from the outside zone running scheme?

Speed_Kills364January 19, 2021 06:47AM

  wrong

zn209January 19, 2021 06:56AM

  no I am not wrong

Speed_Kills165January 19, 2021 09:06AM

  Re: no I am not wrong

dzrams138January 19, 2021 09:13AM

  and maybe just maybe

Speed_Kills179January 19, 2021 09:24AM

  Re: and maybe just maybe

moklerman152January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  you have to read the post

zn145January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  Re: Sure, over a small sample size....

dzrams256January 19, 2021 06:59AM

  ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

zn348January 19, 2021 07:09AM

  Re: ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

dzrams188January 19, 2021 07:43AM

  so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

zn249January 19, 2021 10:17AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

dzrams146January 19, 2021 10:36AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

zn266January 19, 2021 10:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

dzrams345January 19, 2021 11:20AM

  you have to also throw out all of 2019

Deadpool149January 19, 2021 11:30AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

dzrams136January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

zn249January 19, 2021 12:06PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

Speed_Kills198January 19, 2021 11:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn144January 19, 2021 11:49AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

dzrams239January 19, 2021 11:53AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

stlramz137January 19, 2021 08:37PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn152January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  Re: 22 TDs zn...

dzrams155January 19, 2021 12:48PM

  nope

zn146January 19, 2021 04:40PM

  Re: nope

dzrams139January 19, 2021 05:33PM

  Re: nope

RamsFanSinceLA168January 19, 2021 05:47PM

  Re: nope

zn133January 19, 2021 06:14PM

  Re: so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

Rams43145January 19, 2021 10:44AM

  ay ...sigh

zn331January 19, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

Rams43267January 19, 2021 11:35AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

zn208January 19, 2021 11:55AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

moklerman528January 19, 2021 06:30PM

  Fine sample size

Coy Bacon143January 19, 2021 08:28AM

  disagree

zn130January 19, 2021 10:07AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon287January 19, 2021 11:06AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

zn144January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon161January 19, 2021 04:06PM

  no that's not my point

zn142January 19, 2021 07:54PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA313January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  Re: disagree

zn134January 19, 2021 03:38PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA160January 19, 2021 05:51PM

  Re: disagree

zn140January 19, 2021 06:22PM

  well said; balanced NM

Ram49145January 19, 2021 07:49AM

  Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Speed_Kills189January 19, 2021 06:32AM

  Re: Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Atlantic Ram344January 19, 2021 06:38AM

  agreed lol nm

Speed_Kills158January 19, 2021 06:41AM

  We'd do a better job than most of them...

max212January 19, 2021 08:34AM

  a couple of things...

Speed_Kills184January 19, 2021 08:55AM

  Only one disagreement

max210January 19, 2021 09:40AM

  Excellent listen...

Atlantic Ram202January 19, 2021 06:37AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

zn532January 19, 2021 07:01AM

  Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Ramsfsninmd284January 19, 2021 07:11AM

  no that doesn't add up

zn138January 19, 2021 07:37AM

  And they scored 23 and 18 points...

Ramsfsninmd347January 19, 2021 07:40AM

  Re: And they scored 23 and 18 points...

zn304January 19, 2021 08:01AM

  Re: Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Rams43164January 19, 2021 08:40AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

waterfield139January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  maybe if they block O'Connell

Atlantic Ram135January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  good points

LMU93174January 19, 2021 09:26AM

  Re: good points

zn344January 19, 2021 10:38AM

  What ticks me off

NewMexicoRam148January 19, 2021 03:03PM