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January 19, 2021 03:38PM
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What's happening is in using misleading averages 2 especially bad games tilt the numbers. The problem with averages is that they hid changes.

2 games, 7 turnovers. Indicative or a crisis that got fixed? You are talking about it as indicative. Why? On what basis?

Well it's 3 turnovers total since those 2 games. That includes 2 playoff games with none.

And for the entire season, minus those 2 games it's 10 turnovers including 9 INTs.

So again saying there;s this huge problem is equivalent to saying those 2 games are indicative and dominate the assessment.

But...why? Why isn't it a crisis that got fixed?

I guess people believe what they want.

So with that logic, I guess we would also have to disregard Goff's best 2 games where he had multiple TDs an no TOs...because they "tilt the numbers."

My guess is that TD/TO ratio, which is very poor, would calculate to about the same.

That's not the logic though. That's a caricature of the logic. You exclude the 2 best games if you claim they were significantly different from the other games in a key way--like for example in those 2 games they had drugged the other team before kick-off. That is you have to name a genuine reason why those games are exceptions and it can't just be because they were good or bad.

The claim, which you don't address, is that those 2 games represent a crisis that they worked on and fixed. That is, you are not likely to see 3+ multiple turnovers in more games and there;s a reason for that.

And yeah it was an issue and they fixed it.

In the Jets game and the 2nd Seattle game the same conditions existed that led to JG's mistakes in the Miami and 2nd SF game, but this time they DIDN'T lead to the same mistakes. In fact that applies to the GB game too. In all 3 of those games the defense attacked the OL, overwhelmed it, and put on heavy pressure. Against Miami and in SF game 2 Goff kept pressing to make plays when he shouldn't have. In the 3 other games since then facing the same conditions, he took the sack, he bailed on the play, he ran (and slid), he threw the ball away--he did not try to force a play while in a vulnerable position.

So he learned from those 2 games. Because of that those 2 games are exceptions--having learned from them he was not as likely to repeat the same mistakes that had led to multiple turnovers in the 2 disaster games.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2021 03:41PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Video: Orlovsky on Goff

max838January 19, 2021 06:11AM

  Great insights and says Rams will not likely move on from Goff

stlramz261January 19, 2021 06:25AM

  people DO realize, right, that the turnovers STOPPED?

zn276January 19, 2021 06:42AM

  the Rams got away from the outside zone running scheme?

Speed_Kills364January 19, 2021 06:47AM

  wrong

zn209January 19, 2021 06:56AM

  no I am not wrong

Speed_Kills166January 19, 2021 09:06AM

  Re: no I am not wrong

dzrams139January 19, 2021 09:13AM

  and maybe just maybe

Speed_Kills179January 19, 2021 09:24AM

  Re: and maybe just maybe

moklerman152January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  you have to read the post

zn146January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  Re: Sure, over a small sample size....

dzrams256January 19, 2021 06:59AM

  ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

zn349January 19, 2021 07:09AM

  Re: ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

dzrams189January 19, 2021 07:43AM

  so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

zn249January 19, 2021 10:17AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

dzrams147January 19, 2021 10:36AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

zn266January 19, 2021 10:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

dzrams346January 19, 2021 11:20AM

  you have to also throw out all of 2019

Deadpool151January 19, 2021 11:30AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

dzrams136January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

zn249January 19, 2021 12:06PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

Speed_Kills198January 19, 2021 11:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn144January 19, 2021 11:49AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

dzrams240January 19, 2021 11:53AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

stlramz137January 19, 2021 08:37PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn153January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  Re: 22 TDs zn...

dzrams156January 19, 2021 12:48PM

  nope

zn146January 19, 2021 04:40PM

  Re: nope

dzrams139January 19, 2021 05:33PM

  Re: nope

RamsFanSinceLA169January 19, 2021 05:47PM

  Re: nope

zn134January 19, 2021 06:14PM

  Re: so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

Rams43147January 19, 2021 10:44AM

  ay ...sigh

zn331January 19, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

Rams43267January 19, 2021 11:35AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

zn209January 19, 2021 11:55AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

moklerman528January 19, 2021 06:30PM

  Fine sample size

Coy Bacon144January 19, 2021 08:28AM

  disagree

zn131January 19, 2021 10:07AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon288January 19, 2021 11:06AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

zn145January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon161January 19, 2021 04:06PM

  no that's not my point

zn143January 19, 2021 07:54PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA313January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  Re: disagree

zn134January 19, 2021 03:38PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA160January 19, 2021 05:51PM

  Re: disagree

zn140January 19, 2021 06:22PM

  well said; balanced NM

Ram49145January 19, 2021 07:49AM

  Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Speed_Kills190January 19, 2021 06:32AM

  Re: Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Atlantic Ram344January 19, 2021 06:38AM

  agreed lol nm

Speed_Kills159January 19, 2021 06:41AM

  We'd do a better job than most of them...

max212January 19, 2021 08:34AM

  a couple of things...

Speed_Kills185January 19, 2021 08:55AM

  Only one disagreement

max210January 19, 2021 09:40AM

  Excellent listen...

Atlantic Ram202January 19, 2021 06:37AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

zn532January 19, 2021 07:01AM

  Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Ramsfsninmd285January 19, 2021 07:11AM

  no that doesn't add up

zn139January 19, 2021 07:37AM

  And they scored 23 and 18 points...

Ramsfsninmd348January 19, 2021 07:40AM

  Re: And they scored 23 and 18 points...

zn305January 19, 2021 08:01AM

  Re: Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Rams43165January 19, 2021 08:40AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

waterfield139January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  maybe if they block O'Connell

Atlantic Ram135January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  good points

LMU93175January 19, 2021 09:26AM

  Re: good points

zn344January 19, 2021 10:38AM

  What ticks me off

NewMexicoRam148January 19, 2021 03:03PM