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zn
You have 2 especially bad games with turnovers and to you that's a sufficient "sample size" to say he has a permanent problem.
The other 15 games there's 10 TOs including 8 INTs plus no turnovers at all in 2 playoff games.
I have a lot of respect for folks who watch the game and can SEE what's happening. You haven't noticed that since SF game 2 when that all became this public crisis that Goff began taking sacks instead of forcing plays and pressing? Getting out of bounds, sliding when he runs, and so on? That wasn't visible? You have to go instead with manipulated numbers where you yourself don't see you're overdoing the emphasis on 2 especially bad games?
It's like the overplayed "bad under pressure" argument. You cannot force these things into being categorical and absolute the way some do. There have been games with heavy pressure where Goff held up. Including Saturday.
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zn, everybody is watching the games man. I don't know why you go to implying that they're not. You are assuming that people will see it the way you see it.
The problem with basing things on recent games is we don't know if the purported improvement is an actual thing or just a temporary blip. That's why looking at 2 years is much better analysis than only looking at the last 5 games or taking out the worst stats from two games.
But if I were to entertain your framework of subtracting the two very problematic games, I will say that yes, after SF game 2, when he was called out by the coach, he did cut down on his turnovers. Since that game he's had 6 TDs and 3 INTs for a TD/TO ratio of 2.0. That's not stellar. Still doesn't match other pocket QBs in Brees, Brady, and Rivers.
Moreover, I think he became extra careful after that SF game. But besides cutting down on turnovers the offense was stifled shortly thereafter. After doing well against Ariz., they had 3 games where the offense struggled to score points with 24, 20, and 9 against NE, NJ, and Seattle respectively.
As Orlovsky says, it's not just about the turnovers, it's also about the positive plays that are made which is why TD/TO ratio is important. His 2019 TD/TO ratio was 1.05. Even if you do your usual ''take away this bad stat statistical magic' for his 2020 numbers, his TD/TO ratio in the other 15 games is merely 2.1. That's still well below the other pocket QBs when we haven't done the statistical magic adjustments to make them look better yet.
Reality is, Goff's TD/TO has been awful for two years now. Since you're someone who prides himself on doing full picture analysis, where does the woeful TD/TO ratio factor in? What's your answer to what Orlovsky says about him needing to have less turnovers as a pocket passer since he has fewer big plays?