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Re: no I am not wrong

January 19, 2021 09:13AM
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Speed_Kills
Orlosky claimed the Rams got away from their outside zone blocking scheme in favor of a trapping scheme and that is not true... you then used the exact phrasing to support yet another effort to put the blame for Goff's performance on someone other than Goff

Now I like Orlosky and agreed with everything he said in that video except that the Rams got away from their zone blocking scheme which impacted their ability to use the play-action passing game. That is not correct... they did not do that.

Also to counter what you are saying about the Rams not having the same running game they used to. Just off the top of my head Goff didn't have good games in either of the "Akers" get off games this year v Pats and Sea playoff game. The Rams had a top 10 run game this year. They had a terrible run game last year. Does Goff need an elite run game to be effective? You have made the case using the Tampa game that he played well despite not having a run game. So which is it here?

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Speed_Kills
now look I know you know better than that

I heard Orlosky say that but you know better than that ... you just do

Yet you try and use it here to support your point.

The Rams did not get away from their outside zone run scheme this year... they did begin to mix it up down the stretch for sure but they did not abandon as Orlosky says and you know they didn't zn smh

Speed they do not have the same run game they used to and I don't care about the scheme part of it--they did lose their edge running and it took away the play action and reduced things. We know that. That's just obvious. It happened because of Gurley's knee and then Akers being a rookie and getting dinged.

Meanwhile this is true and it will remain true. After the crisis with 2 especially bad games with Goff turnovers, that stuff stopped. Instead of pressing and trying to make plays when things broke down Goff started taking sacks, bailing, throwing the ball away, etc.

3 INTs in 6 games. Across 16 games with those numbers he would be 4th in the league in INT percentage. How come no one notices that. They don't even notice it enough to try make up some lame dismissal.

IMO, just IMO but definitely a strong IMO--a lot of Goff talk is emotion and not analysis and tries to be categorical or absolute in ways the actual facts do not support.

Yes play action disappeared. Yes they addressed the turnovers and they stopped. Yes the qb we saw on Saturday is a winning franchise qb.


....

Good point on the run game.

Here is where I'm confused about Goff.

He had a much better run game this year compared to last year.
He had a much better OL this year compared to last year.
No one disputes either of these facts.

So why wasn't his performance this year much better than last years? Very troubling!
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Video: Orlovsky on Goff

max836January 19, 2021 06:11AM

  Great insights and says Rams will not likely move on from Goff

stlramz260January 19, 2021 06:25AM

  people DO realize, right, that the turnovers STOPPED?

zn275January 19, 2021 06:42AM

  the Rams got away from the outside zone running scheme?

Speed_Kills364January 19, 2021 06:47AM

  wrong

zn208January 19, 2021 06:56AM

  no I am not wrong

Speed_Kills165January 19, 2021 09:06AM

  Re: no I am not wrong

dzrams137January 19, 2021 09:13AM

  and maybe just maybe

Speed_Kills179January 19, 2021 09:24AM

  Re: and maybe just maybe

moklerman151January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  you have to read the post

zn145January 19, 2021 10:03AM

  Re: Sure, over a small sample size....

dzrams255January 19, 2021 06:59AM

  ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

zn348January 19, 2021 07:09AM

  Re: ah yes the perennially misused "sample size" routine

dzrams188January 19, 2021 07:43AM

  so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

zn248January 19, 2021 10:17AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

dzrams146January 19, 2021 10:36AM

  Re: No, I'm not fine with that...

zn265January 19, 2021 10:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

dzrams345January 19, 2021 11:20AM

  you have to also throw out all of 2019

Deadpool149January 19, 2021 11:30AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

dzrams135January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: you have to also throw out all of 2019

zn249January 19, 2021 12:06PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

Speed_Kills197January 19, 2021 11:47AM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn143January 19, 2021 11:49AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

dzrams239January 19, 2021 11:53AM

  Re: zn, we deleted those 2 games...why are you still talking about them? (NM

stlramz136January 19, 2021 08:37PM

  Re: You are very wrong my friend...

zn152January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  Re: 22 TDs zn...

dzrams155January 19, 2021 12:48PM

  nope

zn146January 19, 2021 04:40PM

  Re: nope

dzrams138January 19, 2021 05:33PM

  Re: nope

RamsFanSinceLA168January 19, 2021 05:47PM

  Re: nope

zn133January 19, 2021 06:14PM

  Re: so you're okay with taking a temporary blip as indicative?

Rams43145January 19, 2021 10:44AM

  ay ...sigh

zn330January 19, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

Rams43266January 19, 2021 11:35AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

zn208January 19, 2021 11:55AM

  Re: ay ...sigh

moklerman527January 19, 2021 06:30PM

  Fine sample size

Coy Bacon143January 19, 2021 08:28AM

  disagree

zn130January 19, 2021 10:07AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon287January 19, 2021 11:06AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

zn144January 19, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: disagree, shrug

Coy Bacon160January 19, 2021 04:06PM

  no that's not my point

zn142January 19, 2021 07:54PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA313January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  Re: disagree

zn134January 19, 2021 03:38PM

  Re: disagree

RamsFanSinceLA160January 19, 2021 05:51PM

  Re: disagree

zn139January 19, 2021 06:22PM

  well said; balanced NM

Ram49145January 19, 2021 07:49AM

  Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Speed_Kills189January 19, 2021 06:32AM

  Re: Rams discussion starts at 6:15

Atlantic Ram344January 19, 2021 06:38AM

  agreed lol nm

Speed_Kills158January 19, 2021 06:41AM

  We'd do a better job than most of them...

max211January 19, 2021 08:34AM

  a couple of things...

Speed_Kills184January 19, 2021 08:55AM

  Only one disagreement

max209January 19, 2021 09:40AM

  Excellent listen...

Atlantic Ram202January 19, 2021 06:37AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

zn531January 19, 2021 07:01AM

  Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Ramsfsninmd284January 19, 2021 07:11AM

  no that doesn't add up

zn138January 19, 2021 07:37AM

  And they scored 23 and 18 points...

Ramsfsninmd347January 19, 2021 07:40AM

  Re: And they scored 23 and 18 points...

zn304January 19, 2021 08:01AM

  Re: Maybe McVay feels the TO's stopped because....

Rams43164January 19, 2021 08:40AM

  Re: Excellent listen...

waterfield138January 19, 2021 12:21PM

  maybe if they block O'Connell

Atlantic Ram135January 19, 2021 03:00PM

  good points

LMU93174January 19, 2021 09:26AM

  Re: good points

zn343January 19, 2021 10:38AM

  What ticks me off

NewMexicoRam147January 19, 2021 03:03PM