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I think a big issue impacting the Donald holdout is that there was an over inflation on paying top DT. Suh, Short and Fletcher all got wacko contracts and Donald is better than any of them. It makes sense that Donald would expect to paid more than any of those guys. Well Suh got cut and his market was set at 14M. I don't think if Short or Fletcher were free now that they would get the same contracts.
So it is hard to tell what the market is right now but it is probably around 15-17m. I think the Rams would do that number right now. I think Donald wants to be paid like a QB. I think that is what where the gap is and I don't know how you solve that issue. We can alway let him play on this contract for 1 more year and then franchise him for 2 more year. We will have gotten him for the best years of his career and when he goes to sign after that he won't get a QB level contract.
I think that the only way the Donald will maximize his career earnings is to sign a big extension for around 17mil per year with a high level guaranteed. Maybe even a 6 year contract. He could get 60 million guaranteed. I don't think he can make more money than that contract with the leverage the Rams have. I think his side is waiting for the Rams to blink and see if they will bow to pressure and do something stupid like what happened in Detroit with Suh.
To do a deal it must be good for both sides and right now I don't think the two sides can find that place where they think deal works for each of them. Risking 90 to 100mil to play of 6.9 mil when the upside may only be 10 mil of so just doesn't make sense so I think a deal will eventually get done.
First, the value of contracts is measured by 2nd contracts. Those are the big payoffs. 3rd and 4th contracts etc. are more variable. They can have wider ranges because things like age come in to play.
AND #2, 2nd contracts go up annually.
Given all that, qb money right now is 28 M. That's what JG and Cousins signed for.
SO AD GETTING ANYWHERE FROM 21-24 M IS
NOT GETTING "QB MONEY."
Unless you think 3 year old contracts for qbs set the market. Which they don't.
AND AD is not just a "DT." He is an elite DT. There is no other elite DT. The last one was Sapp. So he won't be getting "DT money"---he will be getting "one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league" money.
And YES one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league in 2018 will certainly get more than what qbs were signing for
in 2015. Which was around 22 M.
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You're confusing Elite QB money with Average QB money.
The average per year contract for a starting QB is about $20-21M per year right now. ...this is only counting QB's who are out of their rookie contracts also.(Goff, Wentz, Winston, etc, excluded)
I wouldn't expect any agent would be trying to get elite QB money for their elite DT client .... That's lunacy.
Case Keenum just signed an $18m per year deal to be the starter in Denver.
From McCown to Cousins is what QB money is.
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I am doing no such thing. And you don't have to link over the cap for me, I know this stuff by looking frequently.
There's 4 sets of contracts for qbs.
Rookie contracts.
2nd contracts for starters. Those go up annually. Right now the top is from 2018, and that's 28 M. Last year it was 25 M. In 2015, Wilson signed for 22 M. It goes up. Anyway because they go up annually this is the top standard for measuring qb money. 2nd contract money works this way. If you consider the guy a starter and either want to keep him or sign him away from someone, then, this is what you pay.
2nd contracts are the measuring rod because that's a starting caliber qb's golden pay off. Because it goes up annually, JG signed in 2018 for 6 M more than Wilson did in 2015, even though at that point Seattle had been to 2 superbolws.
3rd, there;s 3rd and 4th contracts for starters, and those are variable because they account for things like age and also for the perceived value of the player. Lots of things factor in. These simply depend on when you come up. That's why Stafford makes 5 M more than Rodgers---Stafford came up in 2017, Rodgers came up in 2013.
4th, there's back-up qb money. That's someone you know you're signing as a back-up, like the Rams did with Clemens and Hill.
Now show me any kind of statement, example, or rule that says a non-qb cannot sign for what a qb signed for 3 years ago.
Because if you act like "qb money" is 20+ M that IS what you're saying.
Here's the likelihood and here's how it works. And this is from following this for years now.
Chances are no non-qb will get more than qbs are getting in the second contract market THAT YEAR. So now, that's 28 M.
But the idea that a non-qb can't sign for what qbs were signing for 3-4 years ago is nonsense, and in fact Von Miller and Suh already exceeded some qb contracts when they signed their big 19 M a year deals.
So what is qb money in 2018? 28 M.
That does not prevent Donald from signing anywhere in the 21-25 range. That has nothing to do with "qb money." As I said qb money changes and this year it's 28 M.
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