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Re: what do you think qb money IS?

April 06, 2018 11:13AM
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I think a big issue impacting the Donald holdout is that there was an over inflation on paying top DT. Suh, Short and Fletcher all got wacko contracts and Donald is better than any of them. It makes sense that Donald would expect to paid more than any of those guys. Well Suh got cut and his market was set at 14M. I don't think if Short or Fletcher were free now that they would get the same contracts.

So it is hard to tell what the market is right now but it is probably around 15-17m. I think the Rams would do that number right now. I think Donald wants to be paid like a QB. I think that is what where the gap is and I don't know how you solve that issue. We can alway let him play on this contract for 1 more year and then franchise him for 2 more year. We will have gotten him for the best years of his career and when he goes to sign after that he won't get a QB level contract.

I think that the only way the Donald will maximize his career earnings is to sign a big extension for around 17mil per year with a high level guaranteed. Maybe even a 6 year contract. He could get 60 million guaranteed. I don't think he can make more money than that contract with the leverage the Rams have. I think his side is waiting for the Rams to blink and see if they will bow to pressure and do something stupid like what happened in Detroit with Suh.

To do a deal it must be good for both sides and right now I don't think the two sides can find that place where they think deal works for each of them. Risking 90 to 100mil to play of 6.9 mil when the upside may only be 10 mil of so just doesn't make sense so I think a deal will eventually get done.

First, the value of contracts is measured by 2nd contracts. Those are the big payoffs. 3rd and 4th contracts etc. are more variable. They can have wider ranges because things like age come in to play.

AND #2, 2nd contracts go up annually.

Given all that, qb money right now is 28 M. That's what JG and Cousins signed for.

SO AD GETTING ANYWHERE FROM 21-24 M IS NOT GETTING "QB MONEY."

Unless you think 3 year old contracts for qbs set the market. Which they don't.

AND AD is not just a "DT." He is an elite DT. There is no other elite DT. The last one was Sapp. So he won't be getting "DT money"---he will be getting "one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league" money.

And YES one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league in 2018 will certainly get more than what qbs were signing for in 2015. Which was around 22 M.


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You're confusing Elite QB money with Average QB money.

The average per year contract for a starting QB is about $20-21M per year right now. ...this is only counting QB's who are out of their rookie contracts also.(Goff, Wentz, Winston, etc, excluded)

I wouldn't expect any agent would be trying to get elite QB money for their elite DT client .... That's lunacy.

Case Keenum just signed an $18m per year deal to be the starter in Denver.

From McCown to Cousins is what QB money is.

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  When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

troublefree866April 06, 2018 06:23AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

reggae424April 06, 2018 06:27AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

Ramsfan1971265April 09, 2018 03:24PM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

oldschoolramfan341April 06, 2018 06:29AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

Rams43364April 06, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

SoCalRAMatic313April 06, 2018 06:53AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

Ramsdude336April 06, 2018 06:53AM

  An assumption?

RFL351April 06, 2018 07:29AM

  Re: An assumption?

Ramsdude345April 06, 2018 07:40AM

  Cool.

RFL309April 06, 2018 07:45AM

  Re: Cool.

Ramsdude281April 06, 2018 07:48AM

  I pretty much agree 100%...

jemach301April 06, 2018 11:52AM

  I normally side with the team but AD is an exception

stlramz277April 07, 2018 04:01AM

  Re: I normally side with the team but AD is an exception

Rams43265April 07, 2018 05:51AM

  Re: An assumption?

dzrams276April 06, 2018 07:50AM

  Re: An assumption?

Ramsdude272April 06, 2018 07:58AM

  Re: An assumption?

SoCalRAMatic296April 06, 2018 07:57AM

  Re: +1....NM

dzrams263April 06, 2018 07:50AM

  +1 and well put (nm)

zn287April 06, 2018 09:26AM

  I also think it's about Donald and Mack

alyoshamucci328April 06, 2018 09:10AM

  DT is out of Skew can't pay like a QB

David Deacon321April 06, 2018 09:58AM

  what do you think qb money IS?

zn307April 06, 2018 10:12AM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

Rampage2K-305April 06, 2018 11:13AM

  nope, as in absolutely nope

zn287April 06, 2018 01:18PM

  Re: nope, as in absolutely nope

Rampage2K-288April 06, 2018 01:32PM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

David Deacon251April 06, 2018 11:17AM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

zn272April 07, 2018 03:45PM

  You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

David Deacon324April 06, 2018 11:25AM

  Re: You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

Ramsdude297April 06, 2018 11:44AM

  Agreed!

Ramadune418April 06, 2018 12:37PM

  Re: Agreed!

SoCalRAMatic320April 06, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: Agreed!

zn262April 06, 2018 01:30PM

  Re: Agreed!

AlbaNY_Ram293April 07, 2018 12:38AM

  Re: Agreed!

Ramsdude281April 07, 2018 02:14AM

  IMO? No

zn214April 07, 2018 07:04AM

  Re: Agreed!

bigjimram21341April 07, 2018 03:08PM

  Don't QBs only play half of the game?

jemach247April 07, 2018 06:14AM

  Re: Don't QBs only play half of the game?

Rams43301April 07, 2018 06:54AM

  I wouldn't be so certain...

jemach308April 07, 2018 07:14AM

  Re: I wouldn't be so certain...

Rams43285April 07, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

dzrams263April 07, 2018 07:54AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

Rams43278April 07, 2018 08:39AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

dzrams238April 07, 2018 09:02AM

  All that PLUS...

Ramadune297April 06, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

zn296April 06, 2018 01:25PM

  You need to ask what the salary cap will be in 3 years

Ramadune290April 06, 2018 01:53PM

  That’s NOT bad management, IMO...

Rams43291April 07, 2018 06:26AM

  An owner...no doubt...

jemach249April 07, 2018 06:38AM

  Re: An owner...no doubt...

Rams43426April 07, 2018 07:06AM

  Just one question...

jemach365April 07, 2018 07:15AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43264April 07, 2018 07:28AM

  Re: Just one question...

zn254April 07, 2018 07:33AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude259April 07, 2018 07:47AM

  Re: Just one question...

AlbaNY_Ram254April 07, 2018 08:25AM

  Re: Just one question...

zn283April 07, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43252April 07, 2018 08:55AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude440April 07, 2018 08:47AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude247April 07, 2018 11:07AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43430April 07, 2018 08:19AM

  then, Bad Management it is!!! Cuz I think the Rams will do that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus478April 09, 2018 01:22AM

  Re: then, Bad Management it is!!! Cuz I think the Rams will do that....

Ramsdude260April 09, 2018 05:52AM

  they will be the only team that has

zn277April 09, 2018 05:58AM

  so the re-signing of AD is overdue then....

SunTzu_vs_Camus267April 09, 2018 07:03AM

  Re: so the re-signing of AD is overdue then....

Ramsdude252April 09, 2018 07:10AM

  yes but to me that's not the important thing in the discussion

zn273April 09, 2018 08:56AM

  Re: yes but to me that's not the important thing in the discussion

Rams43251April 09, 2018 09:36AM

  Re: I’m afraid he is too costly

hammer263April 09, 2018 09:47AM

  sure he's affordable

zn301April 09, 2018 11:23AM

  Re: Not so fast

hammer282April 09, 2018 12:46PM

  Re: Not so fast

Ramsdude251April 09, 2018 12:57PM

  faster actually

zn289April 09, 2018 01:18PM

  Re: that is no basis to believe the Rams are acting in bad faith

hammer379April 09, 2018 01:46PM

  I know. I agree. You're misreading.

zn264April 09, 2018 01:53PM

  Re: I know. I agree. You're misreading.

Rams43294April 09, 2018 02:33PM

  Re: Neither misreading nor misleading

hammer294April 09, 2018 04:20PM

  Re: Neither misreading nor misleading

zn274April 09, 2018 05:25PM

  Re: here it is again, spin it if you must!

hammer288April 09, 2018 06:58PM

  Re: +++1... The tagging strategy would be penny wise, but pound foolish...NM

dzrams378April 09, 2018 11:32AM

  I think he'll sign in March 2021

Ramadune427April 06, 2018 01:25PM

  Re: I think he'll sign in March 2021

Ramsdude309April 06, 2018 01:30PM

  Re: I think he'll sign in March 2021

David Deacon271April 06, 2018 01:35PM

  It is amazing...

jemach267April 07, 2018 06:19AM

  Re: It is amazing...

AlbaNY_Ram282April 07, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: It is amazing...

zn271April 07, 2018 11:00AM

  Re: It is amazing...

AlbaNY_Ram374April 07, 2018 12:46PM

  I'm gonna go with Tuesday

IowaRam346April 07, 2018 08:40AM

  The break-even point

GarlicExile355April 07, 2018 09:00AM

  Re: The break-even point (excellent)

hammer344April 07, 2018 09:36AM