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what do you think qb money IS?

April 06, 2018 10:12AM
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David Deacon
I think a big issue impacting the Donald holdout is that there was an over inflation on paying top DT. Suh, Short and Fletcher all got wacko contracts and Donald is better than any of them. It makes sense that Donald would expect to paid more than any of those guys. Well Suh got cut and his market was set at 14M. I don't think if Short or Fletcher were free now that they would get the same contracts.

So it is hard to tell what the market is right now but it is probably around 15-17m. I think the Rams would do that number right now. I think Donald wants to be paid like a QB. I think that is what where the gap is and I don't know how you solve that issue. We can alway let him play on this contract for 1 more year and then franchise him for 2 more year. We will have gotten him for the best years of his career and when he goes to sign after that he won't get a QB level contract.

I think that the only way the Donald will maximize his career earnings is to sign a big extension for around 17mil per year with a high level guaranteed. Maybe even a 6 year contract. He could get 60 million guaranteed. I don't think he can make more money than that contract with the leverage the Rams have. I think his side is waiting for the Rams to blink and see if they will bow to pressure and do something stupid like what happened in Detroit with Suh.

To do a deal it must be good for both sides and right now I don't think the two sides can find that place where they think deal works for each of them. Risking 90 to 100mil to play of 6.9 mil when the upside may only be 10 mil of so just doesn't make sense so I think a deal will eventually get done.

First, the value of contracts is measured by 2nd contracts. Those are the big payoffs. 3rd and 4th contracts etc. are more variable. They can have wider ranges because things like age come in to play.

AND #2, 2nd contracts go up annually.

Given all that, qb money right now is 28 M. That's what JG and Cousins signed for.

SO AD GETTING ANYWHERE FROM 21-24 M IS NOT GETTING "QB MONEY."

Unless you think 3 year old contracts for qbs set the market. Which they don't.

AND AD is not just a "DT." He is an elite DT. There is no other elite DT. The last one was Sapp. So he won't be getting "DT money"---he will be getting "one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league" money.

And YES one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the league in 2018 will certainly get more than what qbs were signing for in 2015. Which was around 22 M.


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Ramsfan1971266April 09, 2018 03:24PM

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oldschoolramfan342April 06, 2018 06:29AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

Rams43365April 06, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

SoCalRAMatic313April 06, 2018 06:53AM

  Re: When Will Donald Sign? My Opinion, Your Thoughts...

Ramsdude337April 06, 2018 06:53AM

  An assumption?

RFL352April 06, 2018 07:29AM

  Re: An assumption?

Ramsdude346April 06, 2018 07:40AM

  Cool.

RFL311April 06, 2018 07:45AM

  Re: Cool.

Ramsdude282April 06, 2018 07:48AM

  I pretty much agree 100%...

jemach302April 06, 2018 11:52AM

  I normally side with the team but AD is an exception

stlramz278April 07, 2018 04:01AM

  Re: I normally side with the team but AD is an exception

Rams43266April 07, 2018 05:51AM

  Re: An assumption?

dzrams277April 06, 2018 07:50AM

  Re: An assumption?

Ramsdude273April 06, 2018 07:58AM

  Re: An assumption?

SoCalRAMatic297April 06, 2018 07:57AM

  Re: +1....NM

dzrams264April 06, 2018 07:50AM

  +1 and well put (nm)

zn287April 06, 2018 09:26AM

  I also think it's about Donald and Mack

alyoshamucci329April 06, 2018 09:10AM

  DT is out of Skew can't pay like a QB

David Deacon322April 06, 2018 09:58AM

  what do you think qb money IS?

zn307April 06, 2018 10:12AM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

Rampage2K-308April 06, 2018 11:13AM

  nope, as in absolutely nope

zn289April 06, 2018 01:18PM

  Re: nope, as in absolutely nope

Rampage2K-290April 06, 2018 01:32PM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

David Deacon253April 06, 2018 11:17AM

  Re: what do you think qb money IS?

zn274April 07, 2018 03:45PM

  You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

David Deacon326April 06, 2018 11:25AM

  Re: You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

Ramsdude297April 06, 2018 11:44AM

  Agreed!

Ramadune418April 06, 2018 12:37PM

  Re: Agreed!

SoCalRAMatic321April 06, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: Agreed!

zn263April 06, 2018 01:30PM

  Re: Agreed!

AlbaNY_Ram294April 07, 2018 12:38AM

  Re: Agreed!

Ramsdude283April 07, 2018 02:14AM

  IMO? No

zn215April 07, 2018 07:04AM

  Re: Agreed!

bigjimram21342April 07, 2018 03:08PM

  Don't QBs only play half of the game?

jemach248April 07, 2018 06:14AM

  Re: Don't QBs only play half of the game?

Rams43303April 07, 2018 06:54AM

  I wouldn't be so certain...

jemach308April 07, 2018 07:14AM

  Re: I wouldn't be so certain...

Rams43286April 07, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

dzrams263April 07, 2018 07:54AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

Rams43279April 07, 2018 08:39AM

  Re: 3 players, 1 tag. That's a problem...

dzrams239April 07, 2018 09:02AM

  All that PLUS...

Ramadune297April 06, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: You need to ask what can he make after 3 years.

zn297April 06, 2018 01:25PM

  You need to ask what the salary cap will be in 3 years

Ramadune290April 06, 2018 01:53PM

  That’s NOT bad management, IMO...

Rams43293April 07, 2018 06:26AM

  An owner...no doubt...

jemach250April 07, 2018 06:38AM

  Re: An owner...no doubt...

Rams43427April 07, 2018 07:06AM

  Just one question...

jemach367April 07, 2018 07:15AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43264April 07, 2018 07:28AM

  Re: Just one question...

zn255April 07, 2018 07:33AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude261April 07, 2018 07:47AM

  Re: Just one question...

AlbaNY_Ram255April 07, 2018 08:25AM

  Re: Just one question...

zn285April 07, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43253April 07, 2018 08:55AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude442April 07, 2018 08:47AM

  Re: Just one question...

Ramsdude248April 07, 2018 11:07AM

  Re: Just one question...

Rams43431April 07, 2018 08:19AM

  then, Bad Management it is!!! Cuz I think the Rams will do that....

SunTzu_vs_Camus479April 09, 2018 01:22AM

  Re: then, Bad Management it is!!! Cuz I think the Rams will do that....

Ramsdude261April 09, 2018 05:52AM

  they will be the only team that has

zn277April 09, 2018 05:58AM

  so the re-signing of AD is overdue then....

SunTzu_vs_Camus268April 09, 2018 07:03AM

  Re: so the re-signing of AD is overdue then....

Ramsdude253April 09, 2018 07:10AM

  yes but to me that's not the important thing in the discussion

zn274April 09, 2018 08:56AM

  Re: yes but to me that's not the important thing in the discussion

Rams43251April 09, 2018 09:36AM

  Re: I’m afraid he is too costly

hammer264April 09, 2018 09:47AM

  sure he's affordable

zn302April 09, 2018 11:23AM

  Re: Not so fast

hammer283April 09, 2018 12:46PM

  Re: Not so fast

Ramsdude252April 09, 2018 12:57PM

  faster actually

zn289April 09, 2018 01:18PM

  Re: that is no basis to believe the Rams are acting in bad faith

hammer381April 09, 2018 01:46PM

  I know. I agree. You're misreading.

zn265April 09, 2018 01:53PM

  Re: I know. I agree. You're misreading.

Rams43297April 09, 2018 02:33PM

  Re: Neither misreading nor misleading

hammer295April 09, 2018 04:20PM

  Re: Neither misreading nor misleading

zn275April 09, 2018 05:25PM

  Re: here it is again, spin it if you must!

hammer289April 09, 2018 06:58PM

  Re: +++1... The tagging strategy would be penny wise, but pound foolish...NM

dzrams379April 09, 2018 11:32AM

  I think he'll sign in March 2021

Ramadune428April 06, 2018 01:25PM

  Re: I think he'll sign in March 2021

Ramsdude310April 06, 2018 01:30PM

  Re: I think he'll sign in March 2021

David Deacon271April 06, 2018 01:35PM

  It is amazing...

jemach267April 07, 2018 06:19AM

  Re: It is amazing...

AlbaNY_Ram283April 07, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: It is amazing...

zn272April 07, 2018 11:00AM

  Re: It is amazing...

AlbaNY_Ram375April 07, 2018 12:46PM

  I'm gonna go with Tuesday

IowaRam347April 07, 2018 08:40AM

  The break-even point

GarlicExile355April 07, 2018 09:00AM

  Re: The break-even point (excellent)

hammer344April 07, 2018 09:36AM