June 02, 2021 02:54PM
"I could even see the rationale of criticizing McVay over just that incident but it has to be a bigger issue. A psychological one that no one could possibly diagnose from the outside, looking in."

A few comments:
1) I agree completely with Mok. There were several factors at work and us on the outside can only give our best, partially-informed educated guesses at all of them.
2) Like PhD and Zn, I liked Goff, I never thought he stank, and I hoped McVay would continue to work with him. However, like many other posters I think grabbing for Stafford was the right gamble, the smart money move, and I'm glad we did. FYI, some of my Lions friends hated Stafford and are glad they got rid of him for all those draft picks.
3) It's the off season and our egos like to argue. I'm actually seeing this discussion more as shades of gray than black and white disagreement. How much of the problem was Goff? Was McVay? Was Goff's lack of improvement, or McVay's negative attitude, etc? It's like a secret stew that had a couple of factors at work.
4) I think most all of our poster are intelligent. There are some pretty smart guys here. Clearly some guys here are deeper and more invested into the Rams world and thus are more knowledgeable than I am, and that gives me an opportunity to learn. Therefore, I would never call another Ram fan's post "ham-handed" or imply that because they don't think like me they're not really thinking. Everybody here has some good stuff to contribute.
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  Matthew Stafford airing it out, other observations from Rams OTAs

RamBill1666June 02, 2021 05:16AM

  The consistency that he comes in to work with

PHDram342June 02, 2021 05:40AM

  Thats the first thing that came to mind...

Atlantic Ram587June 02, 2021 06:58AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

Rampage2K-268June 02, 2021 08:49AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

dzrams361June 02, 2021 09:06AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

moklerman240June 02, 2021 12:33PM

  yes but

zn382June 02, 2021 09:57AM

  i dont buy it.

PHDram306June 02, 2021 10:20AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

Rampage2K-368June 02, 2021 10:43AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

dzrams208June 02, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

Rampage2K-197June 02, 2021 11:03AM

  Agree 100%

stlramz156June 04, 2021 01:35PM

  Re: i dont buy it.

zn220June 02, 2021 11:14AM

  Perhaps you misread?

PHDram260June 02, 2021 01:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

moklerman206June 02, 2021 02:22PM

  Exactly

PHDram215June 02, 2021 02:37PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

Coy Bacon316June 02, 2021 02:54PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

zn323June 03, 2021 06:13AM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

Anonymous User392June 02, 2021 02:45PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn212June 02, 2021 03:01PM

  Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

Anonymous User241June 02, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

SoCalRAMatic321June 02, 2021 04:28PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

zn176June 02, 2021 05:43PM

  The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram191June 02, 2021 06:36PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams171June 02, 2021 07:07PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn155June 03, 2021 06:21AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams157June 03, 2021 11:10AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman189June 03, 2021 11:19AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

JYB164June 04, 2021 12:30PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams161June 04, 2021 01:02PM

  And . . .

stlramz140June 04, 2021 02:04PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram166June 03, 2021 11:24AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman150June 03, 2021 12:24PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram141June 03, 2021 12:43PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman247June 03, 2021 03:51PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn182June 03, 2021 04:24PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman180June 03, 2021 05:54PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

Coy Bacon179June 04, 2021 01:08PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn199June 04, 2021 01:47PM

  There's little to no hyperbole

moklerman144June 04, 2021 08:01PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams194June 03, 2021 06:25PM

  The problem with the 4 game argument: Well spoken dzrams

Anonymous User180June 04, 2021 02:20PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

PHDram203June 02, 2021 06:41PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

PHDram271June 02, 2021 06:26PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen197June 03, 2021 05:02PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn172June 03, 2021 05:13PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen181June 03, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn178June 03, 2021 06:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen190June 04, 2021 06:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

Coy Bacon168June 04, 2021 01:00PM

  Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

Rams43287June 02, 2021 10:32AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

zn308June 02, 2021 10:37AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

dzrams391June 02, 2021 10:39AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

PHDram317June 02, 2021 10:49AM

  True, but...

moklerman332June 04, 2021 08:09PM