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Re: i dont buy it.

June 02, 2021 11:14AM
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Rampage2K-
I think it was the perfect storm so to speak....if Stafford doesn't become available, Goff is still our QB1 and McVay is going to sink or swim with him....I didn't like the way Goff was treated by McVay and Snead at the end after what that kid has done for this team and community, but that's how they chose to handle it, I'm sure he has heard from some close to him that it wasn't the greatest look
and he is smart enough to realize it

it's more than how Snead and McVay handled the end, which you're right they bungled. I agree with you that they probably got feedback letting them know that it wasn't the greatest look.

What I am talking about happened during the season. We have direct reporting on this from Thirry, who unlike some Rams beat reporters--at least one of which is a very good beat reporter--actually acted like a reporter and asked numerous people how the relationship worked during the season. And she had a lot to work with too--think of all the offensive coaches who have left the Rams and are available to answer questions about how it work on the inside. There's Taylor, Kromer, and LaFleur, among others, and for that matter Greg Holmes too. What Thirry found was that once McVay took over as the qb coach in 2019 there was no buffer between him and Goff. A source said McV was good at tearing Goff down but not building him back up. I take that as him being tone deaf about confidence issues. We saw it too--during the season, long before any trade talk, McV would be derisive about the qb in public, which if nothing else, is just not the way you handle Goff (reminds me of Noll and Bradshaw). McVay himself openly said he had communication issues--which is not what you want from your qb coach.

I saw a lot in Goff's play that indicated he was not playing with the same general confidence. Others noticed this too. That's the qb coach's job, to monitor and deal with that. When the Rams DID have qb coaches (and 2 very very good ones too) that was never an issue.

Goff himself had issues of course. I have long said that his biggest flaw was pressing to make plays when he shouldn't and when instead he should throw it away, take the sack, bail on a play, run, and slide if he does run, or go out of bounds. The terrible multiple turnover games IMO were a result of trying to make plays when he shouldn't have.

I will say this. If as a young impatient coach you're going to contribute to qb problems it's damn lucky there was a situation like the Stafford trade, because mending all that would mean both McV and Goff changing, and I don't know if they had it in them.

There's a lot more on all of this, and I expect some ignorable ham-handed responses from the usual suspects who do that, but I also have had conversations here recently where it was real discussion and not board police chasing down "dissidents." More and more, that's happening. So I think a lot more of this will be discussed well as time goes by.

Meanwhile there are no qb/coach issues now. Stafford will be very good on this team.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2021 03:05PM by 73Ram.
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  yes but

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  Agree 100%

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zn217June 02, 2021 11:14AM

  Perhaps you misread?

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  Re: Perhaps you misread?

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  Exactly

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  Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

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  The problem with the 4 game argument

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  And . . .

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  There's little to no hyperbole

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  The problem with the 4 game argument: Well spoken dzrams

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  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

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