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June 02, 2021 09:57AM
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PHDram
i havent been one to bash goff. i liked him when he was here and i wish him nothing but the best with the lions. i hope he realizes his potential. however, picking up on this quote from mcvay, one starts to wonder if it was the inconsistency from goff that basically drove a wedge between him and mcvay. just a thought...

funny, that line stuck out to me also.....I like Goff and will be pulling for him too, but it is exactly that....he was just too inconsistent for someone like McVay who seems to be a perfectionist. He is still a young QB and that is a problem for a lot of QB's

To Goff's credit he had some very inconsistent coaching the last several years with all the QB coaching changes and we still won a lot of games with him.....

I'm very excited to see what a 13 year vet with a canon arm can do in this offense thoughbeer cheer smiley

A lot of that inconsistency in 2020 came because of McVay, who was impatient with his qb and openly berated him. Like others, I saw confidence issues with Goff in 2020, and that came at least in good part from something a coach observed with the Rams--McV knew how to tear Goff down and not build him back up.

So I don't accept the "McVay got frustrated for reasons" argument because it very strongly looks like McVay himself was one of the primary reasons.

Another problem is acting like 2019 and 2020 were the same. Not saying you are doing that, just running with the topic. What you often see with those who bring 2019 into it is the absolute myth that a subpar or over-damaged OL does not or should not have an effect on qb play when it pretty much almost universally does. What's even worse IMO is people who say "yeah I factor in the OL issues" and then don't--they just say they do. Because the actual conclusion you have to reach when you have substantial OL issues is that no, qbs as a rule (with some rare exceptions) do not overcome them. Heck in 2019, two other qbs had similar issues to the Rams--Ryan and Rivers. And it absolutely had an effect on their overall play. That's just 2 recent examples. For that matter, Stafford never overcame the OL issues in Detroit the years the Lions had those issues.

So acting like 2019 are the same thing is already careening off the solid analysis highway. And many do act like they are the same thing.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2021 09:58AM by zn.
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  Matthew Stafford airing it out, other observations from Rams OTAs

RamBill1663June 02, 2021 05:16AM

  The consistency that he comes in to work with

PHDram339June 02, 2021 05:40AM

  Thats the first thing that came to mind...

Atlantic Ram583June 02, 2021 06:58AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

Rampage2K-265June 02, 2021 08:49AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

dzrams358June 02, 2021 09:06AM

  Re: The consistency that he comes in to work with

moklerman238June 02, 2021 12:33PM

  yes but

zn380June 02, 2021 09:57AM

  i dont buy it.

PHDram304June 02, 2021 10:20AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

Rampage2K-365June 02, 2021 10:43AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

dzrams205June 02, 2021 10:51AM

  Re: i dont buy it.

Rampage2K-195June 02, 2021 11:03AM

  Agree 100%

stlramz152June 04, 2021 01:35PM

  Re: i dont buy it.

zn218June 02, 2021 11:14AM

  Perhaps you misread?

PHDram258June 02, 2021 01:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

moklerman204June 02, 2021 02:22PM

  Exactly

PHDram213June 02, 2021 02:37PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

Coy Bacon313June 02, 2021 02:54PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread?

zn320June 03, 2021 06:13AM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

Anonymous User390June 02, 2021 02:45PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn210June 02, 2021 03:01PM

  Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

Anonymous User239June 02, 2021 03:49PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

SoCalRAMatic319June 02, 2021 04:28PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

zn173June 02, 2021 05:43PM

  The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram188June 02, 2021 06:36PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams169June 02, 2021 07:07PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn153June 03, 2021 06:21AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams155June 03, 2021 11:10AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman186June 03, 2021 11:19AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

JYB161June 04, 2021 12:30PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams159June 04, 2021 01:02PM

  And . . .

stlramz137June 04, 2021 02:04PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram163June 03, 2021 11:24AM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman147June 03, 2021 12:24PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

PHDram138June 03, 2021 12:43PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman243June 03, 2021 03:51PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn180June 03, 2021 04:24PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

moklerman177June 03, 2021 05:54PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

Coy Bacon176June 04, 2021 01:08PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

zn196June 04, 2021 01:47PM

  There's little to no hyperbole

moklerman140June 04, 2021 08:01PM

  Re: The problem with the 4 game argument

dzrams192June 03, 2021 06:25PM

  The problem with the 4 game argument: Well spoken dzrams

Anonymous User177June 04, 2021 02:20PM

  Re: Can't agree more PHDram: Sorry zn: No change here on my end

PHDram202June 02, 2021 06:41PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

PHDram268June 02, 2021 06:26PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen195June 03, 2021 05:02PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn171June 03, 2021 05:13PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen179June 03, 2021 06:02PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

zn176June 03, 2021 06:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

george_allen187June 04, 2021 06:29PM

  Re: Perhaps you misread? I can't agree more PHDram

Coy Bacon166June 04, 2021 01:00PM

  Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

Rams43285June 02, 2021 10:32AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

zn305June 02, 2021 10:37AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

dzrams388June 02, 2021 10:39AM

  Re: Stafford seems to ‘see the field’ better than Goff...

PHDram314June 02, 2021 10:49AM

  True, but...

moklerman330June 04, 2021 08:09PM