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Re: Interesting!

August 21, 2019 11:23PM
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dzrams
I don't know...IMO directing decisions can involve making them when necessary. As for how he compares to Roseman, I think we could say that Snead has "overseen the reshaping of the roster" and that he "oversees the team's roster moves." The last phrase sounds synonymous to me as "directs personnel decisions."

Sure we can't say that he "built" the team but no one here has ever argued that he's a sole or unilateral decision maker.

This entire debate may be splitting hairs since it seems that everyone agrees that the Rams have a collaborative process and most seem to agree that there are likely few instances where Snead would have to overrule McVay. So this whole exercise may be academic but to say he's the director means that he would have final say if necessary.

But because the process is so collaborative, I'm not sure the final say issue matters much. What I mostly took from his bio is that his duties seem to be more expansive than just running the personnel department; it definitely extends to heavy involvement in the football operations, that is, if the bio is true.
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I agree with this---"But because the process is so collaborative, I'm not sure the final say issue matters much", But I go further. I don't even think anyone knows who if anyone with the Rams HAS "final say." (And yes it's clear from that document he has a voice in football operations but he is given no authority in that realm, he's described as a guy at the table.)

If you look at what Roseman has done, there's no ambiguity. That's his team. (It wasn't when Kelly was there but it is now.)

Honestly, I think the writer of an online bio knows English well enough to avoid a much more watered down phrase like "director of decisions" if he meant something like has final say or is in charge of roster building (like a Polian/Roseman type). To me the phrase in question just sounds like he manages the personnel decision making process.

Does anyone ever say who has contractually granted "final say" with this team?

Does it ever even appear in how he;s talked about? Show me any quotes about Snead that are like these:

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Doug Pederson fine with not having personnel authority

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All of this stuff is a collaboration," Roseman said, before adding, "at the end of the day, it's my job to make sure we got the right guys here."

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To steal from a famous Bill Parcells quote when the Super Bowl-winning coach was denied final personnel say by the Patriots: Howie Roseman buys the groceries and Pederson cooks the dinner.

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Pederson said during a recent sit-down interview with beat reporters. “I’m a part of it. And I want my coaching staff to be a part of it. But I want to coach. I want Howie to bring the players in and give us the talent that we can go and develop and win games.”

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with Philadelphia, Roseman has the final say over all personnel decisions, something that isn't changing.

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Howie Roseman has final say on personnel moves

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Roseman figures to maintain final say on personnel decisions

The difference is, Roseman collaborates and listens, but in the end of the day it's his team. Snead's JOB is collaboration--he's not, by job definition, the top dog. With the Rams, just looking at the football side of it, there's the coach, there's the personnel guy, and both guys reports report to the chief exec (Demoff). Neither one reports to the other.

This is more the kind of thing you hear with the Rams:

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Previously, Jeff Fisher had final say. It stands to reason Les Snead exerts more influence than he did under his old boss, but Sean McVay’s clout will only grow after his sensational first year on the job. Whatever the balance of power is, McVay and Snead are striking while the iron is hot



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2019 11:53PM by zn.
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  Honestly, hasn’t Snead outdone himself this year in finding late pick and UDFA gems?

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  Re: Hager should be on the bubble

LMU93391August 21, 2019 03:21AM

  Not Snead per se

CROMWELL21349August 20, 2019 05:32PM

  Re: Not Snead per se

Rams43307August 20, 2019 07:22PM

  Re: Not Snead per se

David Deacon277August 21, 2019 01:18AM

  Best Rams GM Since Don Klosterman

den-the-coach297August 21, 2019 02:15AM

  Re: Best Rams GM Since Don Klosterman

zn351August 21, 2019 04:40AM

  Woah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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den-the-coach289August 21, 2019 09:13AM

  Re: Dick Steinberg

idaram220August 21, 2019 10:17PM

  Re: Best Rams GM Since Don Klosterman

den-the-coach256August 21, 2019 09:06AM

  Re: Best Rams GM Since Don Klosterman

zn251August 21, 2019 09:22AM

  Re: Best Rams GM Since Don Klosterman

den-the-coach201August 21, 2019 12:42PM

  Re: Not Snead per se

zn244August 21, 2019 04:37AM

  "Snead does not run it"

PHDram400August 21, 2019 05:05AM

  you misread

zn376August 21, 2019 05:20AM

  its just as obvious

PHDram250August 21, 2019 05:28AM

  Re: its just as obvious

zn244August 21, 2019 05:55AM

  Re: its just as obvious

PHDram209August 21, 2019 06:54AM

  Re: its just as obvious

zn166August 21, 2019 08:05AM

  given the obviousness

PHDram191August 21, 2019 08:41AM

  Coordination

snowman245August 21, 2019 07:00AM

  what does he do then? nm

PHDram204August 21, 2019 07:04AM

  to say it again

zn332August 21, 2019 07:29AM

  yes i understand that is your belief.

PHDram189August 21, 2019 07:52AM

  coordination explained

snowman214August 21, 2019 12:12PM

  Re: coordination explained

PHDram198August 21, 2019 01:04PM

  Re: coordination explained

zn253August 21, 2019 01:23PM

  The bio literally says

PHDram198August 21, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: The bio literally says

zn337August 21, 2019 02:18PM

  don't know why you want to argue this

PHDram208August 21, 2019 06:51PM

  enh--that just doesn't hold up

zn302August 21, 2019 07:42PM

  it holds up just fine

PHDram191August 21, 2019 09:58PM

  Re: Interesting!

dzrams200August 21, 2019 02:26PM

  Re: Interesting!

zn204August 21, 2019 02:32PM

  Re: Interesting!

dzrams200August 21, 2019 10:35PM

  Re: Interesting!

zn191August 21, 2019 11:23PM

  Re: to say it again

Rams43210August 21, 2019 08:36AM

  Re: to say it again

zn246August 21, 2019 09:01AM

  it is almost inconceivable that it has never come up

PHDram389August 21, 2019 09:25AM

  to you

zn260August 21, 2019 09:32AM

  Re: Coordination

David Deacon373August 21, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: Coordination

zn233August 21, 2019 02:25PM

  Re: are any of these guys any good?

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  Re: are any of these guys any good?

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