Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotedzrams You're acting like I'm arguing with you; I didn't provide any arguments. Let me repeat: "Here is the raw data without interpretation." Which tells us nothing. Your period goes back to 2006, so, there are going to be some low rounders (after round 2) starting in the NFL. It's like I said about the Brady argument--haven't you heard guys say "qbsby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteLMU93 Yeah. It can be done. But longer odds for sure. Whitworth, Bakhtari and Armstead are upper tier guys. Dawkins and Villaneuva are in the top half of LT in the league. I think the Rams could reasonably move up from the late 1st round to the late 40s overall. Trading the 3rd round comp. pick they get for Holmes plus a 5th could do that. To get higher than thatby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams You're acting like I'm arguing with you; I didn't provide any arguments. Let me repeat: "Here is the raw data without interpretation." Which tells us nothing. Your period goes back to 2006, so, there are going to be some low rounders (after round 2) starting in the NFL. It's like I said about the Brady argument--haven't you heard guys say "qbs are not so hard to fby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 Yeah. It can be done. But longer odds for sure. Whitworth, Bakhtari and Armstead are upper tier guys. Dawkins and Villaneuva are in the top half of LT in the league. I think the Rams could reasonably move up from the late 1st round to the late 40s overall. Trading the 3rd round comp. pick they get for Holmes plus a 5th could do that. To get higher than that is a steeper price- tradby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams Here is the raw data without interpretation. All of these guys were the LOT starters in 2020 with the exception of Orlando Brown who is slated to be the starting LOT for KC this year. David Bakhtiari, LT (GB) - 4th round (#109) in 2013 Andrew Whitworth, LT (Rams) - 2nd round (#55) in 2006 Terron Armstead, LT (NO) - 3rd round (#75) in 2013 Charles Leno Jr., LT (WAS) - 7th roby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 I hear ya, zn. But the RAMS are very resourceful.. The Rams are not the only team in history that has good player acquisition policies and methods. They're not the only team that has scored in free agency. They're good but not the only team that has ever been good. They're not this cartoon day-glo fairytale exception to reality they're just one of the many teams that have beby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 Yeah. And I think an issue for the Rams is that- while they will have 11 Draft picks going into next spring- 7 of them are day three picks. So the ammo to move up in the Draft from their spot in the 2nd round will still be pretty limited. Assuming they are picking 57th (where they picked last year) or later they could move up- from my estimation- 5 to maybe 10 spots. More than that? Noby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram So one option may be terron armstead. The saints apparently signed ramcyk. I kinda thought they would go the opposite direction but ramcyk is younger. Can they afford both? They also need a qb. Both Winston and hill will both be fas as well. I think its a good chance armsead hits the fa market. And if not I'd favor a trade up as I agree finding a starting lt even in the 2nd can be chaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteMamaRAMa QuoteJamesJM No idea where you hail from so I'm not at all doubting you.... but very different here. Small towns were MUCH friendlier, safer. - JamesJM Friendliness and safety are not necessarily the issues ramBro and I are talking about, James. When my family moved to the states (from Canada) they moved to one of those not politically correct, idyllic little no diversity townby zn - Bucky's Pub
Nothing I am saying applies because they signed him as a DE. I assumed he would be a 4/3 OLB. Well...no. I have no idea how he will do as a DE. Here's a 49ers article on him: The 9ers are counting on him learning to do precisely what I said we know he can't do. *** QuoteWhere he can improve in 2021' “Raw” is a term used to describe a player who has the skill set but doesn’t knowby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteFlorida_Ram Saying a journeyman NFL player all of a sudden turns out to be a good one and produces because he's in a different scheme on a different team does have merit. Recently Leonard Floyd & Devonte Fowler turned out better seasons playing for the Rams when they moved on from their prior teams. There are many other cases when a player switched teams and became better plaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotepromomasterj Sorry - he's not a special pass rusher, just a decent depth player. Suddenly he's going to light up the league. Not buying it. I thought that was all obvious. Every Rams fan in existence knows he's not much of a pass rusher. So he's not going to be one somewhere else. But maybe he does well in a system that does not require that of him and instead uses him in other ways.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Ebukam could turn out to be a good one in a different scheme. He just didn't bring everything that was required in the Rams D, either the Phillips version or the Staley version. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
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You mischaracterized positions and that's not the first time. You acted as if you could pretend to attach the word luck to every single Rams acquisition as if someone ever said that. In the process you just wanted to remove the word "luck" from Whitworth being a rare example of a pro bowl LOT out as a free agent. Well it is rare. And it was luck. Misusing the word "luckby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams I said it's hard to dispute your research. I also see difference between an average player and a JAG. Yeah the research is indisputable but then honestly, tell that to the people who are disputing it. Or are there just people you just never directly disagree with? (Personally I don't have that problem. I feel free to agree or disagree with anyone, sometimes both at once in diffby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams The bolded part above is key. It's hard to dispute your point of the rarity of finding a good LOT later than the 1st round in the draft. So that clearly makes trading up an option I'm sure they will consider. But the other option is making do with a viable LOT starter that's not above-average. As 43 suggested maybe they can go the FA route for a Tier 2 type. Noteboom would likby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlramz The point is what you call luck may actually be something else. That's my point. Strange that you didn't pick that up. Strange that you think I didn't pick that up. I not only "picked it up" I directly contested your point. All you did was arbitrarily attach the word "luck" to a lot of good personnel work no one has EVER called just lucky, then act asby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Nice research there, 93. Much appreciated, man. The problem with looking exclusively at recent drafts is that you cannot know how developmental lower round picks turn out. Sometimes it takes a couple of years to do that. If for example someone is banking on the not very likely idea that you can count on turning up an overlooked gem at LOT in the lower rounds, pretty much all of drafby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 Not making any major interpretation here. Some of these are RTs. I put those I believe are LTs in italics. Just mainly listing them all. Though a few things stand out. One, if you draft an OT in the top 2 rounds they're starting day one. Good discussion because we have to leave open the possibility that the Rams WILL BE drafting a rookie starter at LOT. The odds of doing thaby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram Personally I don't think they will keep Williams either. The only point I was making was that they could keep him if they wanted to, and if (when?) Williams leaves it will be because that's what the Rams preferred. (As opposed to the narrative that the Rams want to keep him but can't due to the cap.) I think it's more like this AR. Rams won't sign Wms because the cap implicatiby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlramz I believe 90M with 60M guaranteed. Most of the great ones will be locked up. That said, Trent Williams was traded last year for a 2nd and a 5th I believe. Tackles are traded and signed as FAs as well. I am sure the Rams are not without a plan. Teams sign their LOTs, unless there's a problem. Rarely if ever does one hit the market. Next year could be an exception just theby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteBumRap Good info. I always wonder about who the receivers were for those targets and I wish they would provide those receivers win rates so you can really see who is driving the success. If you have a great contested ball WR you will take more shots I bet. Kupp was our best but not often a deep ball target since he was predominantly in the slot. I did wish Goff saw or challenged deep moby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlramz zn's Tackle stats are interesting and make a strong argument for a T in Round1 and you also make an interesting point about how the Rams kind of break the mold in terms of traditional NFL thinking. And...breaking the mold does not create players where there are none. Going deep into the past decades in the NFL, it is very rare to find starting LOTs outside the 1st round...and in soby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotestlramz Its interesting, is it not, that the Rams under McVay is the team that "lucked out" with Whitworth then they kind of "lucked out" with Stafford being available. They also "lucked out" when Baltimore cut a CB named Williams for a guy named Smith and immediately and "luckily" scooped him up. They also "lucked out" that some reallyby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Or maybe just go the FA route again? Not a tier 1, but maybe a tier 2? Or perhaps extend Boom at a modest price? If Boom can improve his run blocking he could be a fine LOT for some team for a decade or more, IMO. Why not for the Rams? As an aside, I understand your statistical argument about scarcity of LOT’s beyond the 1st round. I do. But Rams aren’t like most teams. Meaningby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAlbaNY_Ram I would phrase that differently: The Rams are prepared for DW to leave. (But they are also positioned to resign him if that's what they want to do.) I will say this. If any of the guys you mentioned are able to play CB2 in Morris' defense then DW is a gonner. The Rams would be happy to pocket a 3rd round comp pick and use that $17M elsewhere (Corbett? Noteboom? And/or FAby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotewaterfield I don't look at things that way. Meaning I don't evaluate "clear and present danger" before just doing what is right. To me being a good citizen is about having concerns over the safety of others no matter whether your conduct will result in a clear and present danger. This is especially so when the preventative conduct is so minimal (i.e. two shots) I likely have wrby zn - Bucky's Pub
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