May 28, 2021 12:08PM
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dzrams
I do think there's a chance Goff performs much better without McVay pressure. Maybe his confidence comes back.

But make no mistake about it, all three have to succeed. If Goff doesn't succeed, he may be replaced in the draft next year. His career and longevity in the league is at stake. Think Bradford...
I'm going to have to wait to see some kind of evidence of players being hamstrung by fear of McVay. Some on this board have tried to paint him as immature, a tyrant and even a questionable playcaller. None of which seems to be based on facts or anything tangible.

With Goff, all we know that is factual is that he struggled under Fisher and eventually struggled under McVay. At the very least, it's looking like he needs a very specific set of circumstances to play well.

I believe anyone who tries to paint McVay as a tyrant or a questionable playcaller is engaging in supreme hyperbole. I don't think they could be any more wrong. That said there have been maturity issues. IMO, those were and are to be expected given he's still the youngest coach in the league.

As for evidence of immaturity, we already have some. He admitted a problem with real-time communication with Goff. Who knows what that means. Everyone can speculate but any communication problem could be a sign of immaturity. There have been reports that he tore down Goff without adequately building him back up and he seems to have an impatient/impulsive streak. All three of these things are signs of immaturity IMO.

So McVay is not without blame in the breakdown of the relationship.

However, Goff is by far the biggest culprit in that breakdown to my eye. I do agree that it seems he needs a specific set of circumstances to play well. I no longer see him as a good QB now or in the future. I question him on everything above the shoulders. The in-game processing and reading of defenses and weakness under pressure are well known. And now, with him falling apart and losing confidence under McVay's demanding standards, I question his mental and emotional toughness.

Elite arm, subpar head. That's my verdict.
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  Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

RockRam888May 27, 2021 12:02PM

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moklerman257May 27, 2021 12:15PM

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droopy234May 27, 2021 12:22PM

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zn386May 27, 2021 01:05PM

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SoCalRAMatic274May 27, 2021 01:18PM

  +1

zn193May 27, 2021 02:23PM

  One thing Goff is not

waterfield366May 28, 2021 07:53AM

  Re: One thing Goff is not

moklerman194May 28, 2021 07:57AM

  Well there's been a lot of struggling, including McVay

PA48186May 29, 2021 02:59PM

  Re: One thing Goff is not

dzrams192May 28, 2021 08:46AM

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oldschoolramfan438May 28, 2021 09:14AM

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zn223May 28, 2021 09:29AM

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moklerman305May 28, 2021 10:02AM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

PA48219May 29, 2021 09:53AM

  I guess that's one way to look at NM

PHDram284May 27, 2021 01:52PM

  Goff was on the hot seat in 2020 & was traded. He could surprise

Anonymous User395May 27, 2021 02:10PM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

Coy Bacon180May 28, 2021 02:17PM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

moklerman216May 28, 2021 02:31PM

  Major League

BearlyThere178May 29, 2021 04:56AM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

BearlyThere298May 28, 2021 03:52PM

  moving to right OT does not cause a "weakness"

zn251May 28, 2021 05:23PM

  Re: moving to right OT does not cause a "weakness"

Coy Bacon173May 29, 2021 04:36AM

  I'm inclined to take history over a rookie whining

zn198May 29, 2021 12:25PM

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moklerman164May 29, 2021 12:34PM

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zn186May 29, 2021 12:55PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

BearlyThere200May 27, 2021 06:20PM

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zn289May 28, 2021 12:14AM

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BearlyThere302May 28, 2021 07:35AM

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Coy Bacon170May 28, 2021 02:27PM

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BearlyThere159May 28, 2021 03:54PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

Coy Bacon239May 28, 2021 04:28PM

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moklerman164May 28, 2021 04:30PM

  He needs a top run game

merlin199May 27, 2021 07:10PM

  Ironically I could see goff becoming more of an efficient QB

Ram_Ruler184May 27, 2021 09:22PM

  Too early for your victory lap yet. Let's see.

Saguaro283May 28, 2021 07:38AM

  One big area of disagreement...

JamesJM191May 28, 2021 10:16AM

  Great, balanced take

Ram49361May 28, 2021 11:19AM

  Re: One big area of disagreement...

zn170May 28, 2021 12:23PM

  Me too, I see where he's coming from quite easily....

JamesJM232May 28, 2021 12:44PM

  Re: Too early for your victory lap yet. Let's see.

Coy Bacon154May 28, 2021 02:30PM

  Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

alyoshamucci212May 28, 2021 09:04AM

  Re: Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

zn196May 28, 2021 10:14AM

  IMO the single biggest issue is not being able to operate in a muddled pocket

RockRam172May 29, 2021 03:26AM

  like many things with Goff this gets exaggerated

zn161May 29, 2021 10:28AM

  I probably should ignore you as click bait... but

RockRam174May 29, 2021 10:48AM

  Re: I probably should ignore you as click bait... but

moklerman159May 29, 2021 12:22PM

  why wouldn't the same argument apply to you? Why aren't YOU "click bait"

zn162May 29, 2021 01:26PM

  And something that magnifies this...

merlin168May 29, 2021 11:50AM

  Re: And something that magnifies this...

moklerman396May 29, 2021 12:31PM

  Re: And something that magnifies this...

zn237May 29, 2021 01:36PM

  Re: Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

merlin200May 29, 2021 09:09AM

  Great guy and teammate

Stafford9185May 28, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: Great guy and teammate

Stafford9208May 29, 2021 03:13PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

no name189May 28, 2021 09:57AM

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moklerman179May 28, 2021 10:04AM

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no name199May 28, 2021 10:59AM

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dzrams177May 28, 2021 11:04AM

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moklerman176May 28, 2021 11:16AM

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dzrams284May 28, 2021 12:08PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

moklerman235May 28, 2021 02:10PM

  Re: Agree with this

Anonymous User395May 28, 2021 02:30PM

  Re: Agree with this

moklerman218May 28, 2021 02:41PM

  Re: Agree with this

Anonymous User215May 28, 2021 03:28PM

  Re: Agree with this

moklerman354May 28, 2021 03:35PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

dzrams331May 28, 2021 09:33PM

  7th overall pick in 2020, 3rd in 2019 and 8th in 2018...

DaJudge228May 28, 2021 11:02AM