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Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

May 28, 2021 09:33PM
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moklerman
But assumptions and suppositions don't equate to proof of immaturity. Even the example of McVay saying there was a communication breakdown and his admission that he could have handled things differently don't illustrate someone who is immature. If anything, it's an exhibition of maturity.

Now, McVay obviously can't be incredibly experienced at this point since he's so young but I haven't seen any proof that he is immature. It's been the exact opposite IMO. With Goff, he didn't make a rash decision based on emotion. He gave Goff at least two years to work out his problems. Obviously, once McVay was "done", things changed quickly. But McVay and Co. don't fool around when it comes to guys who they think don't fit anymore. But again, that doesn't suggest immaturity as much as conviction and decisiveness. And, as far as I can remember, at least with the bigger names, they haven't jettisoned anyone who went on to bigger and better things.

This whole maturity conversation seems to me to be a false narrative propagated by those that are upset and disappointed about Goff's departure. IMO, McVay did not want to get rid of Goff. He likely did everything he could think of to get him back on track but Goff just couldn't acclimate to how defenses evolved. IMO, Goff's limitations have cost the Rams a realistic shot at two SB rings. His weren't the only shortcomings the Rams had, but they were the most important IMO. The things that he struggled with all flowed downhill, leading to other problems. It got to the point that McVay is being looked at as immature, tyrannical and ineffective.

I don't blame him for wanting "his" QB under center. At least that way, if he fails, he fails on his own terms. Having to "fix" Goff in addition to SB expectations was just too much.

I don't think we have proof of immaturity but there is some evidence that immaturity is potentially an issue. It could be as simple as what you suggest. He doesn't have a ton of experience yet. I always expected there to be some growing pains given his age but despite that, I don't think anyone can argue that the results have been better than expected.

I pretty much agree with you on the rest. I got the sense in 2020 that McVay was pushing all the buttons he could think of to get the most out of Goff. At some point he just gave up and realized that he doesn't have what it takes. Hence, why he's gone.
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  Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

RockRam883May 27, 2021 12:02PM

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moklerman255May 27, 2021 12:15PM

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droopy232May 27, 2021 12:22PM

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zn386May 27, 2021 01:05PM

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SoCalRAMatic273May 27, 2021 01:18PM

  +1

zn192May 27, 2021 02:23PM

  One thing Goff is not

waterfield364May 28, 2021 07:53AM

  Re: One thing Goff is not

moklerman193May 28, 2021 07:57AM

  Well there's been a lot of struggling, including McVay

PA48183May 29, 2021 02:59PM

  Re: One thing Goff is not

dzrams190May 28, 2021 08:46AM

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oldschoolramfan436May 28, 2021 09:14AM

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zn221May 28, 2021 09:29AM

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moklerman302May 28, 2021 10:02AM

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PA48217May 29, 2021 09:53AM

  I guess that's one way to look at NM

PHDram283May 27, 2021 01:52PM

  Goff was on the hot seat in 2020 & was traded. He could surprise

Anonymous User392May 27, 2021 02:10PM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

Coy Bacon178May 28, 2021 02:17PM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

moklerman214May 28, 2021 02:31PM

  Major League

BearlyThere176May 29, 2021 04:56AM

  Re: Lion's WR and OL

BearlyThere297May 28, 2021 03:52PM

  moving to right OT does not cause a "weakness"

zn249May 28, 2021 05:23PM

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Coy Bacon172May 29, 2021 04:36AM

  I'm inclined to take history over a rookie whining

zn196May 29, 2021 12:25PM

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moklerman162May 29, 2021 12:34PM

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zn184May 29, 2021 12:55PM

  Re: Seems nobody but a coupla' fans here are sold on Goff

BearlyThere198May 27, 2021 06:20PM

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zn287May 28, 2021 12:14AM

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BearlyThere295May 28, 2021 07:35AM

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Coy Bacon168May 28, 2021 02:27PM

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BearlyThere157May 28, 2021 03:54PM

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Coy Bacon237May 28, 2021 04:28PM

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moklerman162May 28, 2021 04:30PM

  He needs a top run game

merlin196May 27, 2021 07:10PM

  Ironically I could see goff becoming more of an efficient QB

Ram_Ruler183May 27, 2021 09:22PM

  Too early for your victory lap yet. Let's see.

Saguaro281May 28, 2021 07:38AM

  One big area of disagreement...

JamesJM189May 28, 2021 10:16AM

  Great, balanced take

Ram49356May 28, 2021 11:19AM

  Re: One big area of disagreement...

zn169May 28, 2021 12:23PM

  Me too, I see where he's coming from quite easily....

JamesJM230May 28, 2021 12:44PM

  Re: Too early for your victory lap yet. Let's see.

Coy Bacon153May 28, 2021 02:30PM

  Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

alyoshamucci210May 28, 2021 09:04AM

  Re: Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

zn194May 28, 2021 10:14AM

  IMO the single biggest issue is not being able to operate in a muddled pocket

RockRam171May 29, 2021 03:26AM

  like many things with Goff this gets exaggerated

zn160May 29, 2021 10:28AM

  I probably should ignore you as click bait... but

RockRam172May 29, 2021 10:48AM

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moklerman157May 29, 2021 12:22PM

  why wouldn't the same argument apply to you? Why aren't YOU "click bait"

zn159May 29, 2021 01:26PM

  And something that magnifies this...

merlin166May 29, 2021 11:50AM

  Re: And something that magnifies this...

moklerman395May 29, 2021 12:31PM

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zn235May 29, 2021 01:36PM

  Re: Goff is a journeyman QB with great accuracy

merlin198May 29, 2021 09:09AM

  Great guy and teammate

Stafford9183May 28, 2021 09:27AM

  Re: Great guy and teammate

Stafford9207May 29, 2021 03:13PM

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no name187May 28, 2021 09:57AM

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moklerman177May 28, 2021 10:04AM

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no name197May 28, 2021 10:59AM

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dzrams175May 28, 2021 11:04AM

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moklerman175May 28, 2021 11:16AM

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dzrams282May 28, 2021 12:08PM

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moklerman233May 28, 2021 02:10PM

  Re: Agree with this

Anonymous User393May 28, 2021 02:30PM

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moklerman216May 28, 2021 02:41PM

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Anonymous User214May 28, 2021 03:28PM

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moklerman351May 28, 2021 03:35PM

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dzrams325May 28, 2021 09:33PM

  7th overall pick in 2020, 3rd in 2019 and 8th in 2018...

DaJudge226May 28, 2021 11:02AM