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Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

September 01, 2020 04:43AM
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dzrams

Nah, subjective is not a pejorative. It just means that there is no reliable and consistent way to measure. I make subjective judgments all the time but you or the next man will make different judgments. So if you're going to do a ranking it really needs to be some obective measurement.

PFF and the other source you cite below are both objective measurements.

I no longer have access to their advanced metrics so I'm not sure how they have him at #14 under pressure when he was so low in the 4 categories I used from their numbers. Maybe they're also looking at other stuff in a sort of proprietary formula like their ratings are.

It's good news that two sources have him 13th and 14th. It appears that various metrics have him anywhere from middle of the pack to near the bottom. QBR and PFF's rating have him in the middle of the pack in 2019. QB Ratings under pressure, compl. percentage, and TD/INT ratio have him closer to the bottom. It's likely the truth is somewhere in between.


Yes but that's middle of the pack under challenging conditions.

Oh and again these "objective" measurements can defy football sense. So if you have a qb playing behind a shaky line (like Goff, Ryan, and Rivers in 2019), and you can't account for the influence the line issues have on the situation, you're not being objective per se, you;re just artificially isolating qb stats from their context. It would be as if I used various measurements to see how well you were driving but never accounted for the brakes being out.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2020 04:51AM by zn.
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  wish Goff would show more consistency...

max395August 29, 2020 01:50PM

  yeah, at least since that KC game

JimYoungblood53325August 29, 2020 02:26PM

  Are you responding to the scrimmage today?

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max213August 30, 2020 10:53AM

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zn175August 30, 2020 11:46AM

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zn193August 30, 2020 12:36PM

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dzrams177August 31, 2020 07:32AM

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zn156August 31, 2020 08:17AM

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max174August 30, 2020 12:51PM

  THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

SunTzu_vs_Camus307August 30, 2020 08:15PM

  Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

max427August 30, 2020 11:51PM

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AlbaNY_Ram171August 31, 2020 04:48AM

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zn192August 31, 2020 05:59AM

  here's that ailment again

zn155August 31, 2020 06:33AM

  Re: here's that ailment again

max188August 31, 2020 07:20AM

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JimYoungblood53184August 31, 2020 07:30AM

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zn160August 31, 2020 12:29PM

  Re: here's that ailment again

max162September 01, 2020 01:10AM

  Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

dzrams328August 31, 2020 07:43AM

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zn189August 31, 2020 08:13AM

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dzrams165August 31, 2020 08:28AM

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zn273August 31, 2020 09:03AM

  here they are and I misremembered

zn188August 31, 2020 09:08AM

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dzrams242August 31, 2020 08:49PM

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zn159September 01, 2020 04:43AM

  Wish Goff would show more consistency...Not on board with this

Anonymous User277August 30, 2020 02:20PM

  plus 1 buddy

ferragamo79196August 30, 2020 02:37PM

  Mahomes is 24 (nm)

Suh-weet!218August 30, 2020 02:52PM

  Mahomes is special

ferragamo79212August 30, 2020 04:07PM

  Re: Mahomes is special

moklerman181August 31, 2020 07:20PM

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JimYoungblood53269August 31, 2020 07:38AM

  no running game

ferragamo79363August 31, 2020 09:02AM

  agree

JimYoungblood53164August 31, 2020 09:23AM

  a lot of misunderstandings in this thread

zn174August 31, 2020 07:59PM

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moklerman173August 31, 2020 08:15PM

  I like Goff---but you are correct

JimYoungblood53170August 31, 2020 07:02AM

  Re: wish Goff would show more consistency...

NorCalRamFan191August 31, 2020 11:36AM

  Well, what we know for sure...is that Goff can get us to the SB....

SunTzu_vs_Camus236August 31, 2020 08:01AM

  two guys I'd like to see Jourdan discuss specifically

LMU93172August 31, 2020 10:00AM

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RantoulRam264August 31, 2020 11:55AM

  it’s crazy the conversation that is happening in the middle of this thread

Speed_Kills204August 31, 2020 11:59AM

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zn181August 31, 2020 12:16PM

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moklerman182August 31, 2020 07:29PM

  Re: I mostly agree

Speed_Kills211September 01, 2020 04:42PM

  Re: I mostly agree

moklerman163September 02, 2020 07:00AM

  yup lol nm

Speed_Kills170September 02, 2020 09:13AM