Re: a lot of misunderstandings in this thread
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I think at some point one has to consider what "normal" is going to be. For much of '18 and most of '19, I think we have to consider that that is what the Rams are going to look like in relatively normal circumstances. If it takes an o-line that doesn't get injured and an MVP level RB carrying the offense like in '17/'18 for Goff to excel, then I don't think it's realistic to expect him to regularly excel.Quote
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You lost me when you brought up Mahomes.
Goff and Mahomes right now aren’t in the same zip code.
Mahomes is arguably one of the top 3 QBs ever.
At 25 years old, Goff is in the same zip code as any NFL QB.
If I had to draft any QB in the NFL today, Goff would be my #1 pick.
Lets see how Mahomes and all the other higher rated QB's do this year.
Max was wrong when he thought I put Goff and Mahomes in the same category. I don't do that and I didn't do that here. He just misread. But then I don't put anyone in the Mahomes category, just Mahomes.
But I also think Goff is a good qb in his own right.
I'm not with those who put Goff in the top tier. But I also don't think he has to be that.
I am not with those who disparge him either. I think they're overlooking a lot of things.
I don't think 2019 is who he is. If you collapse the OL and can't run, he gets knocked down a peg or two. But just a decently solid OL and a run game and he steps right back up. I think he's capable of being a top 10 qb.
One way to look at it is to see how many bad games other top qbs had in their 4th year. I will count bad games, just for convenience sake, as a qb rating under 80. In 2019 Goff had 6 of those...though they stopped in the last 5 games when the 2nd 2019 OL stepped up a bit.
Brady's 4th year? 5 games with a rating under 80.
Rivers? 9 games.
Ryan? 5 games.
Stafford? 8 games.
Peyton? 4 games.
So it's not rare for a qb to do that in year 4.
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Perhaps the o-line, running game and WR corps all stay healthy and all perform at high levels but I don't think that's a realistic expectation. Add to that, the league seems to have adjusted to McVay's offense. Like it or not, the Rams had a schematic advantage in '17/'18 that defense were caught off guard by. That is not, and has not been the case for quite a while now. Which doesn't mean the offense can't be productive but it also won't have a distinct advantage like it did for almost 2 years.
IMO, the last couple of years are the "real" Goff. One that is still young but also one that likely isn't going to see massive spikes in progress either. He benefited greatly from really favorable situations for a while but has now come back to the pack since the league has taken away what used to work so well for the Rams.
Will the running game improve with young blood? Perhaps. I have real doubts about it getting to where Gurley was though and I think that's an important component for Goff to play at an elite level.
Will the o-line be "better"? One would imagine that more time together will only be a positive but in '19, Goff was only sacked 3.4% of the time. That was good for #2 overall in pass protection. So, maybe the o-line had problems but they were at least competent. Hardly to the degree that it would explain why Goff's numbers dropped so much.
