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Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

August 31, 2020 08:13AM
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Yup. In 2019 Goff had an 86.5 rate - 22nd in the league - and was sacked 22 times.

In 2018 Goff's rating was 101.1 (8th in the league). And was sacked 33 times.

In 2017 it was 100.5 (5th in the league). And was sacked 25 times.

For me, it's pretty easy to think the OL was a big part in the dropoff last year. As you pointed out, we will see.

Yes, the OL has a lot to do with his low passer rating but he still performs poorly under pressure relative to other starting QBs.

See the link above where I researched PFF's advanced metrics on this.

Here are other things I've noted from doing that research:

1) There is no other current starting QB in the league besides Goff and Sam Darnold that have had a 55 QB rating or lower over the last two seasons when under pressure. All other QBs, such as Flacco, who were that low are no longer starters.

2) Marginal starters and career backups typically had QB ratings when under pressure starting in the 60s. The vast majority of starting QBs had numbers at least in the 70s.

3) Besides Goff, Josh Allen and Sam Darnold are the only other two starting QBs in the league that have a sub 60 QB Rating under pressure over the last two seasons. Those types of numbers are not sustainable for starting QBs.

4) No QB has collapsed under pressure - i.e. sub 60 QB ratings under pressure - for 3 consecutive years and kept their starting gig.

And PFF does not factor in the OL. That's a huge weakness and makes bringing them up virtually irrelevant.

By other stats and just watching, the situation was worse in 2019 than 2018 (though 2018 had shaky moments too in the 2nd half of the season when it comes to the OL). Yet Goff was better under pressure in 2019.

So far we have three rankings from different people who examine this. You rely exclusively on PFF which is not really valid IMO. If you check out a stat look at multiple sources--there is no "stat god." 2 other sources which examine this rank him 12th and 13th under pressure in 2019.

Is there any particular reason we should just ignore those other 2 and just accept PFF as the only source? I don't see any good reason to do that.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/31/2020 08:18AM by zn.
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  Jourdan Rodrigue excels at this kind of tweet

JimYoungblood531038August 29, 2020 12:40PM

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JimYoungblood53563August 29, 2020 12:42PM

  wish Goff would show more consistency...

max394August 29, 2020 01:50PM

  yeah, at least since that KC game

JimYoungblood53324August 29, 2020 02:26PM

  Are you responding to the scrimmage today?

Suh-weet!297August 29, 2020 04:31PM

  Re: wish Goff would show more consistency...

zn310August 29, 2020 05:02PM

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max226August 30, 2020 07:10AM

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zn363August 30, 2020 08:41AM

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max212August 30, 2020 10:53AM

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zn175August 30, 2020 11:46AM

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dzrams194August 30, 2020 12:13PM

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zn191August 30, 2020 12:36PM

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dzrams176August 31, 2020 07:32AM

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zn155August 31, 2020 08:17AM

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max173August 30, 2020 12:51PM

  THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

SunTzu_vs_Camus307August 30, 2020 08:15PM

  Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

max426August 30, 2020 11:51PM

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AlbaNY_Ram171August 31, 2020 04:48AM

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zn190August 31, 2020 05:59AM

  here's that ailment again

zn154August 31, 2020 06:33AM

  Re: here's that ailment again

max188August 31, 2020 07:20AM

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JimYoungblood53183August 31, 2020 07:30AM

  Re: here's that ailment again

zn160August 31, 2020 12:29PM

  Re: here's that ailment again

max161September 01, 2020 01:10AM

  Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

dzrams326August 31, 2020 07:43AM

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zn188August 31, 2020 08:13AM

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dzrams165August 31, 2020 08:28AM

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zn273August 31, 2020 09:03AM

  here they are and I misremembered

zn187August 31, 2020 09:08AM

  Re: THIS: "The point was that even the best NFL QBs succumb to pressure."

dzrams242August 31, 2020 08:49PM

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zn159September 01, 2020 04:43AM

  Wish Goff would show more consistency...Not on board with this

Anonymous User276August 30, 2020 02:20PM

  plus 1 buddy

ferragamo79195August 30, 2020 02:37PM

  Mahomes is 24 (nm)

Suh-weet!216August 30, 2020 02:52PM

  Mahomes is special

ferragamo79212August 30, 2020 04:07PM

  Re: Mahomes is special

moklerman180August 31, 2020 07:20PM

  Re: Wish Goff would show more consistency...Not on board with this Attachments

JimYoungblood53268August 31, 2020 07:38AM

  no running game

ferragamo79361August 31, 2020 09:02AM

  agree

JimYoungblood53164August 31, 2020 09:23AM

  a lot of misunderstandings in this thread

zn172August 31, 2020 07:59PM

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moklerman173August 31, 2020 08:15PM

  I like Goff---but you are correct

JimYoungblood53170August 31, 2020 07:02AM

  Re: wish Goff would show more consistency...

NorCalRamFan191August 31, 2020 11:36AM

  Well, what we know for sure...is that Goff can get us to the SB....

SunTzu_vs_Camus235August 31, 2020 08:01AM

  two guys I'd like to see Jourdan discuss specifically

LMU93172August 31, 2020 10:00AM

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RantoulRam264August 31, 2020 11:55AM

  it’s crazy the conversation that is happening in the middle of this thread

Speed_Kills203August 31, 2020 11:59AM

  Re: it’s crazy the conversation that is happening in the middle of this thread

zn180August 31, 2020 12:16PM

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moklerman181August 31, 2020 07:29PM

  Re: I mostly agree

Speed_Kills210September 01, 2020 04:42PM

  Re: I mostly agree

moklerman162September 02, 2020 07:00AM

  yup lol nm

Speed_Kills170September 02, 2020 09:13AM