February 02, 2022 09:46AM
The problem with this line of thought is how do you avoid quotas with this line of thinking?
How do you force owners to consider race when making one of the most important decisions any team can make.....HC?

It's one thing to insist on interviewing a certain cross section of races for an HC job (even that is very dicey). But do we now think selection must be on race by some sort of equation that decides on proportionality?

Look at the bind the Giants are in. They no doubt decided some time ago on Dabold. He's the hot guy this year if you want an offensive minded HC. They didn't want to risk him going elsewhere so they quickly made the transaction. So were they to risk losing him in order to uphold the Rooney Rule? Something that would have been just as phony? So all we're talking about here is precise timing. It's like throwing a flag because the ball got snapped 1 second late. The outcome was always going to be the same. Or are owners not allowed to identify their target early on and lock them up?

Look. It bothers me too that I see way too few Black faces as HCs. I don't know why that is. The assumption among many is that it is essentially most owners beginning with the premise that they really don't want a coach that isn't white. I find that hard to believe, but I can't rule it out.

If we go that route, where racial balance is the goal, do we then apply that also to players? Because if we do that, from the player side there's going to be one heck of a lot fewer Black players on teams. This is an Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole we're heading for.

Ideas and hopes are nice; but implementing them is a whole other animal.

That's why I say that while Flores probably sees the same thing we all do (just by body count), I don't think a lawsuit is the answer at all. Because if a judge is going to determine that they will develop a formula for hiring that has race as a MUST consideration (how else could a judge decide if they agree with Flores), then we have a judge making hiring decisions for the NFL.

Harvard is about to state their cased before the Supreme Court that race based admissions is OK. They will very likely lose (according to many court watchers), because such a calculation cannot be anything but racial preference, which is racial discrimination to all but the preferred group.
It is a BAD mindset that will bring nothing but strife. It will solve nothing.
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  Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

RockRam661February 02, 2022 05:39AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

Ramfan21183February 02, 2022 05:59AM

  No reason that Nathaniel Hackett should be hired

den-the-coach240February 02, 2022 06:04AM

  That's the problem; it won't be for the greater good

RockRam194February 02, 2022 06:07AM

  Re: That's the problem; it won't be for the greater good

ramBRO181February 02, 2022 08:00AM

  Wow. Very well said.... nm

RAMbler98February 02, 2022 08:09AM

  Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

Ramgator130February 02, 2022 08:55AM

  Re: Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

AlbaNY_Ram108February 02, 2022 09:12AM

  Re: Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

ramBRO293February 02, 2022 09:34AM

  I have thought about it and I just have no clue.

Ramgator270February 02, 2022 10:10AM

  Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

RockRam127February 02, 2022 09:46AM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

ramBRO127February 02, 2022 11:36AM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

PSJRam108February 02, 2022 12:33PM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

ramBRO127February 02, 2022 01:05PM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

Rams43146February 02, 2022 06:05AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

3030149February 02, 2022 07:32AM

  I think he has a case. Giants screwed up! Belichick gave it away.

Ramgator153February 02, 2022 06:07AM

  I get that. The Giants were just playing the game.

RockRam150February 02, 2022 06:10AM

  Please explain the way to change the situation

The Professor328February 02, 2022 07:10AM

  Your wrong

waterfield258February 02, 2022 11:25AM

  OK...Ultimately, he might get a nice $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the NFL BUT.....

Ramgator220February 02, 2022 01:51PM

  Re: OK...Ultimately, he might get a nice $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the NFL BUT.....

waterfield272February 02, 2022 02:13PM

  Re: I think he has a case. Giants screwed up! Belichick gave it away.

Rams43189February 02, 2022 06:28AM

  It touchy. Maybe not a case but certainly a gripe. Giants SHOULD have been up front...

Ramgator154February 02, 2022 07:01AM

  Re: It touchy. Maybe not a case but certainly a gripe. Giants SHOULD have been up front...

ramBRO243February 02, 2022 08:15AM

  I'm basically saying it's USELESS!

Ramgator111February 02, 2022 08:51AM

  Yep. Exactly.

RockRam102February 02, 2022 11:29AM

  And does that mean it should not go unchallenged?

waterfield106February 02, 2022 12:46PM

  Challenge away!!! Tell me an answer! That is Constitutional!

Ramgator94February 02, 2022 12:59PM

  It's not the Giants case that is damaging it is the Dolphins

RamsDynasty328February 02, 2022 07:14AM

  The Giants also interviewed L. Frazier...

Ramsfsninmd137February 02, 2022 06:42AM

  I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

roman18153February 02, 2022 06:56AM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

Ekern55120February 02, 2022 08:35AM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

waterfield99February 02, 2022 02:30PM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram88February 02, 2022 02:43PM

  So did Curt Flood

AlbaNY_Ram142February 02, 2022 06:23AM

  Not sure it's the same thing.

RockRam108February 02, 2022 09:29AM

  Re: Not sure it's the same thing.

waterfield141February 02, 2022 11:39AM

  Re: Not sure it's the same thing.

AlbaNY_Ram102February 02, 2022 11:44AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

cool_hand_luke144February 02, 2022 06:27AM

  I'm not judging the "failure", clearly the ownership thinks so

RockRam157February 02, 2022 09:48AM

  Just having a winning record doesn't have to be a criteria....

roman18140February 02, 2022 10:08AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. "He has no leverage"

BumRap223February 02, 2022 06:30AM

  good post + problem with "The Rooney Rule"

L.A.Rams132February 02, 2022 07:36AM

  On the other hand, he deserves to be blackballed...

L.A.Rams134February 02, 2022 08:17AM

  What ?.

waterfield144February 02, 2022 11:47AM

  Yeah, really.

L.A.Rams147February 02, 2022 12:14PM

  Re: Yeah, really.

waterfield110February 02, 2022 01:02PM

  it would be laughed out of court

L.A.Rams118February 02, 2022 01:09PM

  Relevance

NewMexicoRam117February 02, 2022 01:47PM

  Re: Relevance

waterfield114February 02, 2022 02:06PM

  giant poopcicle at the end of the season

RamsDynasty141February 02, 2022 08:04AM

  We all know the issue. Does anyone have any ideas HOW this could best be handled?

Ramgator202February 02, 2022 09:59AM

  He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

waterfield154February 02, 2022 11:09AM

  Don't know for sure... but have we heard Dolphins players speak out?

RockRam110February 02, 2022 11:23AM

  Re: Don't know for sure... but have we heard Dolphins players speak out?

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram161February 02, 2022 11:34AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram154February 02, 2022 11:27AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

waterfield101February 02, 2022 11:57AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram97February 02, 2022 12:26PM

  McVay ruined it for every new coach hired....

Rampage2K-139February 02, 2022 11:52AM

  I think that would be the most difficult to argue

NewMexicoRam102February 02, 2022 12:38PM

  Re: I think that would be the most difficult to argue

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram112February 02, 2022 12:47PM

  only owners color they see is green

Rams_81274February 02, 2022 12:48PM

  Re: only owners color they see is green

waterfield220February 02, 2022 01:12PM

  You're right...

alyoshamucci146February 02, 2022 12:25PM

  inaccurate assessment on most of it

Rams_81134February 02, 2022 12:47PM

  What are the merits of his case?

L.A.Rams120February 02, 2022 01:04PM

  Keep fighting the good fight, Flores

LMU93119February 02, 2022 01:54PM