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Re: That's the problem; it won't be for the greater good

February 02, 2022 08:00AM
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RockRam

That's part of what I'm getting at.
The way Flores went about this (even if he is substantially correct), is not how you achieve change.

I'm not so sure about this. Though well-meaning, I don't know too many people out there who don't think the owners have made a mockery of the Rooney Rule. And having candidates appear for sham interviews isn't how to go about achieving change either.

And although many people don't like the term (or would like to deny its existence) this is what "systemic -isms" relies upon - a circumvention of rules (that are plain to see for many) that are designed to keep the status quo. Laws that are established to allow Black people the right to vote...let's set up a "poll tax." Bob and Mary have the same title and do the same work...let's pay Bob more. We all know that I could go on and on.

It would seem to me that the ONLY thing that has seemed to begin to work (because you can't rely upon people to do the right thing) is to file grievances through the country's civil court system.

This is what Flores has done.


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If you are going to make very specific accusations of racism, you better be able to prove it and prove that whatever happened was race based.

There's no doubt that these types of cases are very difficult to win. After all, for a lot of people, unless there's an email from the an owner that specifically says, "I don't want to hire him because he's Black," they will accept any and every other reason that they're comfortable with (e.g. he doesn't interview well; he's not a coordinator; OK...he's a coordinator, but he doesn't call plays; he has no NFL coaching experience; there was something in his personal background). But here's the deal...even those folks get to the point where they roll their eyes. I mean, c'mon...Josh McCown got a 2nd interview with the Texans. How did he even get a first?


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For the greater good is very naive in this situation.


The for the greater good argument is only naive to those who typically don't believe in the argument to begin with or have never been part of a group that has been forced to take the "long view" of things.

Flores is completely aware that he's placing his coaching career at risk. I think he's at peace with this knowing that he has an opportunity to shine a light on something that most people understand is happening, but choose to ignore. I also think that he believe that this will help other minority coaches in the future...which I agree with.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

RockRam654February 02, 2022 05:39AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

Ramfan21178February 02, 2022 05:59AM

  No reason that Nathaniel Hackett should be hired

den-the-coach235February 02, 2022 06:04AM

  That's the problem; it won't be for the greater good

RockRam191February 02, 2022 06:07AM

  Re: That's the problem; it won't be for the greater good

ramBRO178February 02, 2022 08:00AM

  Wow. Very well said.... nm

RAMbler94February 02, 2022 08:09AM

  Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

Ramgator127February 02, 2022 08:55AM

  Re: Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

AlbaNY_Ram107February 02, 2022 09:12AM

  Re: Flores can take every legal action there is. What outcome can he expect?

ramBRO289February 02, 2022 09:34AM

  I have thought about it and I just have no clue.

Ramgator267February 02, 2022 10:10AM

  Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

RockRam125February 02, 2022 09:46AM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

ramBRO124February 02, 2022 11:36AM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

PSJRam104February 02, 2022 12:33PM

  Re: Assuming your point is valid, how do you force this on owners?

ramBRO123February 02, 2022 01:05PM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

Rams43142February 02, 2022 06:05AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

3030144February 02, 2022 07:32AM

  I think he has a case. Giants screwed up! Belichick gave it away.

Ramgator151February 02, 2022 06:07AM

  I get that. The Giants were just playing the game.

RockRam145February 02, 2022 06:10AM

  Please explain the way to change the situation

The Professor323February 02, 2022 07:10AM

  Your wrong

waterfield255February 02, 2022 11:25AM

  OK...Ultimately, he might get a nice $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the NFL BUT.....

Ramgator217February 02, 2022 01:51PM

  Re: OK...Ultimately, he might get a nice $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the NFL BUT.....

waterfield267February 02, 2022 02:13PM

  Re: I think he has a case. Giants screwed up! Belichick gave it away.

Rams43185February 02, 2022 06:28AM

  It touchy. Maybe not a case but certainly a gripe. Giants SHOULD have been up front...

Ramgator151February 02, 2022 07:01AM

  Re: It touchy. Maybe not a case but certainly a gripe. Giants SHOULD have been up front...

ramBRO239February 02, 2022 08:15AM

  I'm basically saying it's USELESS!

Ramgator106February 02, 2022 08:51AM

  Yep. Exactly.

RockRam95February 02, 2022 11:29AM

  And does that mean it should not go unchallenged?

waterfield101February 02, 2022 12:46PM

  Challenge away!!! Tell me an answer! That is Constitutional!

Ramgator91February 02, 2022 12:59PM

  It's not the Giants case that is damaging it is the Dolphins

RamsDynasty324February 02, 2022 07:14AM

  The Giants also interviewed L. Frazier...

Ramsfsninmd134February 02, 2022 06:42AM

  I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

roman18148February 02, 2022 06:56AM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

Ekern55117February 02, 2022 08:35AM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

waterfield93February 02, 2022 02:30PM

  Re: I have been set up for interviews in the past.....

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram84February 02, 2022 02:43PM

  So did Curt Flood

AlbaNY_Ram139February 02, 2022 06:23AM

  Not sure it's the same thing.

RockRam105February 02, 2022 09:29AM

  Re: Not sure it's the same thing.

waterfield135February 02, 2022 11:39AM

  Re: Not sure it's the same thing.

AlbaNY_Ram98February 02, 2022 11:44AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. You just committed career suicide

cool_hand_luke141February 02, 2022 06:27AM

  I'm not judging the "failure", clearly the ownership thinks so

RockRam154February 02, 2022 09:48AM

  Just having a winning record doesn't have to be a criteria....

roman18137February 02, 2022 10:08AM

  Re: Holy cr@p Brian Flores. "He has no leverage"

BumRap219February 02, 2022 06:30AM

  good post + problem with "The Rooney Rule"

L.A.Rams129February 02, 2022 07:36AM

  On the other hand, he deserves to be blackballed...

L.A.Rams128February 02, 2022 08:17AM

  What ?.

waterfield139February 02, 2022 11:47AM

  Yeah, really.

L.A.Rams142February 02, 2022 12:14PM

  Re: Yeah, really.

waterfield104February 02, 2022 01:02PM

  it would be laughed out of court

L.A.Rams116February 02, 2022 01:09PM

  Relevance

NewMexicoRam115February 02, 2022 01:47PM

  Re: Relevance

waterfield110February 02, 2022 02:06PM

  giant poopcicle at the end of the season

RamsDynasty135February 02, 2022 08:04AM

  We all know the issue. Does anyone have any ideas HOW this could best be handled?

Ramgator200February 02, 2022 09:59AM

  He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

waterfield150February 02, 2022 11:09AM

  Don't know for sure... but have we heard Dolphins players speak out?

RockRam107February 02, 2022 11:23AM

  Re: Don't know for sure... but have we heard Dolphins players speak out?

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram159February 02, 2022 11:34AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram151February 02, 2022 11:27AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

waterfield97February 02, 2022 11:57AM

  Re: He knows that-but he sees a much bigger issue here

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram94February 02, 2022 12:26PM

  McVay ruined it for every new coach hired....

Rampage2K-135February 02, 2022 11:52AM

  I think that would be the most difficult to argue

NewMexicoRam96February 02, 2022 12:38PM

  Re: I think that would be the most difficult to argue

Thirtymac, The Intrepid Ram109February 02, 2022 12:47PM

  only owners color they see is green

Rams_81270February 02, 2022 12:48PM

  Re: only owners color they see is green

waterfield216February 02, 2022 01:12PM

  You're right...

alyoshamucci142February 02, 2022 12:25PM

  inaccurate assessment on most of it

Rams_81131February 02, 2022 12:47PM

  What are the merits of his case?

L.A.Rams116February 02, 2022 01:04PM

  Keep fighting the good fight, Flores

LMU93114February 02, 2022 01:54PM