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Re: All of this deal with TGIII...

May 05, 2019 12:12PM
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First I don't accept that any and all injuries are results of "wear and tear." Injuries can happen at any time to anyone, because they are direct results of on the field actions causing a particular trauma. There are players with extensive playing time who don't get injured, and there are players with very little playing time who do get injured. In fact I doubt SJ's quad had anything to do with "wear and tear." Either way there's no evidence that it did.

Gurley's thing was not an injury. That's why it wasn't reported as one. (Unless you're claiming they failed to report an injury.)

So in Gurley's case, since we know it's not an injury, what is it? Maybe the wearing down of a surgical knee? But that's a vague and general thing to say, because many different things can happen that would meet the empty generalization "worn down surgical knee" (just as saying you had a meal could mean you ate any of a long possible list of things). There are names and specific details describing the various things that can happen to a beat up surgical knee (Martz once sat Faulk for a couple of weeks, for example, because he had a bone bruise on his surgical knee). In Gurley's case we just don't know what it is. Though it doesn't just reduce to simply "knee tired now." Something physical was taking place when he got pain and inflammation (both times). It's just that neither of us know what it is (which means, among other things, that there's no realistic basis to write off Gurley's knee issues and act like nothing happened.)

Can it come back? They're acting like it could, since they talk about reducing his touches. In fact they would be crazy to act like it COULDN'T come back---they HAVE TO act like it could. Will it? Depends on what it is, so we just don't know. It might, it might not, it might happen in November, or like 2018 it could happen twice (as McVay and Gurley both said it did).

Does that mean, to quip back at the quipsters, that he's walking with a cane? No, guys with worse knee issues played in the league for a while before they called it quits (I already mentioned Faulk and Holt).

Well nobody said 'all injuries are because of wear and tear'. Just as nobody should say wear and tear plays no part in some injuries.

We've reached a semantic dead end. I stand by the statement that SJ getting injured has nothing to do with what happened to TG twice last year, since that was some kind of flare up of some kind of underlying condition, and does not meet the definition of an injury (whereas what happened to SJ does).

Meanwhile I have never heard of a player who gets severe pain (and that's TG's own description) in week one of a season on a surgical knee that was fine before that.

When players with surgical knees have issues like that, regardless what week it happens in, invariably, someone names the problem. For example, here is Martz on Faulk's knee from August 2001. On August 1st, Mike Martz said: "`Marshall has a slight case of patellar tendinitis, so what we want to do, so that it doesn't get more inflamed, is give him'" time off. "On August 4th, he had another MRI, this time revealing an enlarged bone bruise on the right knee. On August 6th, Faulk told MNF reporter Eric Dickerson that doctors said he could miss 3 weeks of action with his sore knee."

BTW Faulk went on to get 1300+ yards rushing in 2001.

In contrast some guys come back from knee surgery and never have another issue.

When there IS an issue there is a physical explanation for a specific thing acting up. Since we don't know what it is in TG's case, we can't say much about that.











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  All of this deal with TGIII...

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  Great post!

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  Some people would have you believe . . .

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  Get your point..... Gurley is on a cane...

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  I hear you, roman.

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  Just to note....

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  Our OL was exposed to the world in SB

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  that;s not the whole story though

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