August 06, 2018 07:10PM | Registered: 11 years ago Posts: 35,759
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I have a logical question...
If AD is such an All World talent, a certain future HOFer, a player that takes over games defensively, a generational talent, and on and on as some have claimed...
Then will somebody please tell me why he wouldn’t fetch two 1sts in a trade? Heck, maybe a player or two, as well.
I agree with the assessment of his talent, btw.
I recently had a very wise and astute poster tell me that all starting QBs have more impact and more value than even an exceptional, generational talent non-QB. If that is the case, then we should not expect the DT to garner nearly as much in trade as QBs.
That's pretty logical right?
QBs rarely get traded for two 1sts. Consider the starting QB trades below:
Alex Smith - Kendall Fuller and a 2018 3rd
Jimmy G - 2nd
Sam Bradford - 1st & 4th
Carson Palmer (2014) - 6th & a swap of 7ths
Carson Palmer (2011) - 2012 1st, 2013 2nd
Jay Cutler - 2009 1st & 3rd, 2010 1st
Drew Bledsoe - traded for 2003 1st
Trent Green & 4th - traded for 2001 1st
Jay Cutler is the only QB that netted two 1sts. There is no way that the Rams will get two 1st round picks for Donald.
Other than Carson Palmer, in his Prime, none of your listed QB’s would be considered an upper echelon QB, dz, much less an elite future HOFer
AD has been slobbered over as the best of the best, a generational Reggie White type talent. If true, and I’m not challenging his greatness, why wouldn’t he fetch the two 1sts, plus? He’s young and healthy with no locker room or off field issues.
And if he wouldn’t fetch such a windfall, why in the world would the Rams agree to trade him? Especially given that they have virtually all of the leverage?
Why does the QB need to be elite 43?
I was told that EVERY starting QB had more value. They don't have to be elite; QB #30, who is below average, has more value than Donald. That's what I was told.
So let's be consistent and continue that theme. You're better than just ignoring that and being blatantly inconsistent.
If EVERY starting QB has more value, than it stands to reason that ANY trade compensation for a starting QB is the
ceiling for a non-QB no matter how great they are.
Apart from the QB ceiling, the bottom line on trades is virtually NO player fetches two 1sts and definitely not plus. The trade market just doesn't do that. It's extremely rare.
And the draft compensation is always lower when the player requires a huge payday.
As for why the Rams would trade him?
Because they don't want to pay his price AND he's refusing to play AND the longer this goes the more he's a distraction that threatens the culture AND because I've never seen a team sit on an unresolvable headache forever.
If the team is not getting the benefit of the generational talent then eventually they will move him.
Well, AD’s trade value is both subjective and complicated, dz.
If AD is All World, then he logically should be worth the two 1sts.
But if no team would pay the two 1sts then I would say two things:
Maybe homer fans are overrating him as a team contributor? He’s an elite DL player, but is he as valuable to other teams as a Goff, Gurley, Cooks, or Woods? I don’t mean as trade value, I mean as a player that contributes to extra wins.
The second thing is that the Rams seem unlikely to part with AD for a lesser compensation. Especially when they’re holding the better cards?
Honestly, an AD trade is looking so unlikely the more I consider it. Maybe the AD for Mack trade? Lol.
Personally, I think he's much more valuable than a Cooks or Woods.
If the offense was missing Cooks or Woods I don't think it would go from a 10th ranked offense to a 27th ranked one yet the D last year went from 27th to essentially 10th in points allowed once AD returned. I just don't see that impact for Cooks or Woods.
Maybe Gurley...and of course Goff. I really think what's going on is bias towards offense.
Unlike you, I think a trade gets more and more likely as time goes on. And instead of homer fans overrating him as a team contributor being the reason for not getting two 1sts, it could be that teams tend to overvalue draft picks while the trade market is usually undervalued. Player trades for two 1sts have not happened in recent times so his trade value logically is not that high by objective facts.
Possibly, dz.
Then again, AD is not your run of the mill D player. Heck, that’s why the long threads exist on every board.
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree, I guess. Nice discussion, man.
BTW, I enjoy the way you make another poster bring his A game when defending his position. Very stimulating and very enjoyable. And always classy. Lol.
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