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I don't look at it as who is the problem.
I look at it as what will be the outcome and why.
One outcome is that Donald ends up with another team, another outcome is he stays with the Rams.
So how do we get to these outcomes?
A.
In order for Donald to end up with another team he will have to: 1. sit out the entire year and not get paid his 7M. 2. then force a trade next year where another team will pay him what he wants AND gives the Rams compensation.
B.
In order for Donald to sign with the Rams he just needs to sign the offer on the table or convince the Rams sweeten the pot a bit.
I think the odds of A. happening are very low compared to B.
I think he's completely capable of doing all those things. But I don't know that it would get to any of that. Either way, I am just not interested in thinking of ways the team can jerk its best player around. ARE THEY jerking their best player around? According to the reversal rule, that's at least as plausible as anything you are saying. Really--it makes a big difference. Once you grasp that everything said in favor of the team against Donald can get logically reversed and turned around, it helps people see how many unwarranted assumptions they're bringing to this.
So I say 20 M for the sake of argument because it illustrates the point that you can have this empty rhetoric about "highest paid defender" and have it not mean anything in terms of the numbers. Look back. That's the only way I use that number, to make that point. I wasn't suggesting it's what they offered because I don't know what they offered.
Saying things like "jerking the player around" is inarticulate. It's all emotion from the players perspective. So you lose credibility as an unbiased analyst. All you keep doing is pushing your Rams are jerking Donald around theme when you don't know for a fact thats its true, and then you cover yourself with the "nobody knows the actual numbers" verbiage. Everyone on this board sees right though it.
This is a business matter. Each side used its leverage to get the best possible deal for themselves. Thats what I'm talking about. I don't care about the highest paid defender, I'm not talking about whats right or wrong. I'm talking about what are the possibilities and what are the outcomes, while you're getting wrapped up in why are the Rams jerking around their best player.
According to Shefter and Rapoport Donald says he not playing without a new contract. I doubt the Rams move much on their current offer so lets see what he does.
The minute you start complaining about biases, that is completely reversible. The reversal rule: "your bias in favor of management is completely unmistakable." Yeah it's business and business has 2 sides. Saying things like "jerking the player around" points out to you the problems with your assumptions, which you oddly regard as neutral. Remember the reversal game. Every time you come up with something from your pro management perspective, I can just reverse it. The advantage of me doing that is I know it's hypothetical and for rhetorical effect---while I think you actually believe you're just being factual and cannot see, until I do it, how easily that's shown to be false. Every statement you make I can reverse, because WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY JUDGE THE SITUATION AND THEREFORE ARE JUST WALLOWING IN ASSUMPTIONS. It is SO easy to do that . You can go, the team is just this neutral instrument of benign business goodness, and I can reverse it following the reversal rule and go the team is trying to control labor with force and low compensation. Neither of us knows which statement is actually truer.
And no there are limits teams do not cross if they care about the locker room and team morale and about how they are perceived in things like this. Which is why as a team you never want it to look like you coerced the guy into playing for you. Try your we not me rhetoric then. By we not me, it means we force you to provide us with your services even at the point of coercion.
So it gets down to this logical thing...let's say they tag him in 2019 and since the tag is a clear lowball, so he sits out and demands a trade. He then counts against the cap whether he plays or not (I can give you the exact formula on how that works). Starters who demand trades get traded. Rams can't afford to have the cap hit, no player while getting nothing for him, and looking bad to their own locker room.
I don't think you get how the reversal rule works. You come up with these sincere things you believe, and I turn them around and show that they are just assumptions based on things you cannot prove. When I do that I KNOW I am playing a game, in fact that's the whole point. If we don't know we don't know and therefore we cannot honestly say which is more accurate, your assumptions or my reversals of them.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2018 11:45AM by zn.