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Starters may demand trades and get them, but Superstars don't.

August 06, 2018 12:06PM
We've been down this road before.
On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer.

Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 25 Aaron Donalds? ONE AD?

Decide which it is ZN. Is his leverage the same as merely a good starter? Or is he the best D player in the league and an exception to every rule as regards salary for a certain position?

The fact is that since the new CBA, there have been NO generational talent/Superstars traded during their prime, when they are still under contract, because THEY demanded it and got it. FAs? Sure. Guys past their prime and fading? Sure. 27 year old generational superstuds? No. And there's a reason for that. It's because they have no leverage. "Holding out" isn't much leverage when that cost to the team is loss of service of the player, but the cost to the player is earning a big fat ZERO. Might be more true at the QB position; but not at DT.

But you can't just stick AD in just any bushel basket of starters, or even Superstars, and for all eras, and then make a comparison.

Donald's is a very specific situation. And the Rams is a very specific situation. Rams hold a Royal Flush. Donald holds a pair of 2's.
How many teams can have a Donald hold out and then substitute for his absence with Suh?

Rams aren't the least bit concerned. They have a championship D with or without Donald; acknowledging that they indeed are better with AD than without. But this is almost like arguing the old college "who has not just an A, but the highest A". It's less about practicality and more about nuance.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Schefter: Donald Determined Not to Play Without New Deal

RamBill1254August 06, 2018 05:11AM

  Ironic

Ramadune399August 06, 2018 05:29AM

  Re: Schefter: Donald Determined Not to Play Without New Deal

max337August 06, 2018 05:35AM

  Rams need to stick to their guns.

RockRam350August 06, 2018 05:48AM

  or...the Rams need to make better offers

zn326August 06, 2018 05:51AM

  Re: or...the Rams need to make better offers

PSJRam274August 06, 2018 06:14AM

  Re: or...the Rams need to make better offers

AlbaNY_Ram247August 06, 2018 06:16AM

  C'mon. Look at the guarantees the Rams gave to Gurley and Cooks.

RockRam230August 06, 2018 10:39AM

  Re: C'mon. Look at the guarantees the Rams gave to Gurley and Cooks.

AlbaNY_Ram201August 06, 2018 12:24PM

  because those contracts were easy

zn219August 06, 2018 12:34PM

  Re: because those contracts were easy

Rams43206August 06, 2018 12:42PM

  Quack quack

BC Ramsfan204August 06, 2018 12:46PM

  Re: because those contracts were easy. . Using your logic

chico n da rams321August 06, 2018 01:46PM

  Re: because those contracts were easy. . Using your logic

Rams43186August 06, 2018 02:01PM

  Re: because those contracts were easy. . Using your logic

Rampage2K-200August 06, 2018 02:08PM

  Re: because those contracts were easy. . Using your logic

zn192August 06, 2018 05:37PM

  Re: Donald is a DE (3-4 scheme) now anyway...NM

dzrams180August 06, 2018 05:54PM

  Aaron Donald could play LB and cover a TE...

jemach184August 06, 2018 05:59PM

  Re: Donald is a DE (3-4 scheme) now anyway...NM

zn249August 06, 2018 06:11PM

  Re: Donald is a DE (3-4 scheme) now anyway...NM

dzrams173August 06, 2018 06:19PM

  a guess at the DE franchise number for 2019

AlbaNY_Ram180August 07, 2018 12:13AM

  that doesn't mean anything

zn260August 06, 2018 06:28AM

  Re: that doesn't mean anything

Rams43381August 06, 2018 06:34AM

  Re: that doesn't mean anything

PSJRam226August 06, 2018 08:16AM

  Yup! Team First. We Not Me..... (nm)

RAMbler180August 06, 2018 08:34AM

  Re: that doesn't mean anything

Hollywood Ram200August 06, 2018 08:42AM

  does TG's RB contract - which was the highest for a RB iirc....

SunTzu_vs_Camus170August 07, 2018 08:35AM

  Re: does TG's RB contract - which was the highest for a RB iirc....

zn178August 07, 2018 08:54AM

  so would a 2yr/50m guaranteed be fair for AD & the Rams??

SunTzu_vs_Camus180August 07, 2018 09:28AM

  That would be insane....could already have him for the next two years for half of that.

Rampage2K-188August 07, 2018 10:22AM

  I know...and I agree the Rams could do that...

SunTzu_vs_Camus169August 08, 2018 04:45AM

  Re: so would a 2yr/50m guaranteed be fair for AD & the Rams??

zn186August 07, 2018 11:06AM

  Re: so would a 2yr/50m guaranteed be fair for AD & the Rams??

Rampage2K-186August 07, 2018 11:32AM

  how's this the dumbest thing Demoff ever said?

Rampage2K-184August 07, 2018 01:06PM

  2yrs = AD would be 30yrs old....

SunTzu_vs_Camus171August 08, 2018 04:39AM

  Re: 2yrs = AD would be 30yrs old....

Rams43170August 08, 2018 06:40AM

  Really? Either Demoff and Snead are lying or it's true

RockRam220August 06, 2018 10:36AM

  Re: Really? Either Demoff and Snead are lying or it's true

Hollywood Ram198August 06, 2018 10:49AM

  well that;'s not the issue

zn184August 06, 2018 06:59PM

  Re: If I were in Demoff's shoes here's how I'd lay it out for him:

merlin236August 06, 2018 07:26AM

  Re: If I were in Demoff's shoes here's how I'd lay it out for him:

Rampage2K-215August 06, 2018 07:40AM

  my reverse it formula

zn226August 06, 2018 07:44AM

  Re: my reverse it formula

Rampage2K-219August 06, 2018 07:57AM

  Re: my reverse it formula

PSJRam220August 06, 2018 08:18AM

  Re: If I were in Demoff's shoes here's how I'd lay it out for him:

Rams43208August 06, 2018 08:22AM

  Re: My guess is, he feels he has other options...

dzrams324August 06, 2018 10:35AM

  Re: My guess is, he feels he has other options...

73Ram210August 06, 2018 10:54AM

  Re: Credence? Very little in light of the fact....

dzrams195August 06, 2018 11:07AM

  Re: Credence? Very little in light of the fact....

73Ram188August 06, 2018 11:41AM

  small disagreement

zn194August 06, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: Agreed...(NM)

dzrams174August 06, 2018 11:58AM

  Re: small disagreement

Rams43183August 06, 2018 12:03PM

  Re: small disagreement

Rampage2K-223August 06, 2018 12:11PM

  Re: small disagreement

dzrams190August 06, 2018 12:12PM

  Re: small disagreement

Rams43174August 06, 2018 12:33PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?

dzrams188August 06, 2018 12:41PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?...dz

zn183August 06, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: Thanks...

dzrams185August 06, 2018 01:00PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?

Rams43178August 06, 2018 12:46PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?

dzrams182August 06, 2018 12:56PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?

Rams43177August 06, 2018 01:17PM

  Re: Is the Rams BEST offer on the table?

dzrams183August 06, 2018 02:03PM

  At this point, I agree

NewMexicoRam330August 06, 2018 06:17PM

  time to call his bluff.....l

Rampage2K-256August 06, 2018 06:17AM

  "if he wants to blow up the market, he needs to hit free agency"

max233August 06, 2018 06:32AM

  he has the power to subvert all that

zn255August 06, 2018 06:42AM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Rams43223August 06, 2018 07:03AM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Atlantic Ram212August 06, 2018 08:47AM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Rams43181August 06, 2018 10:51AM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Atlantic Ram179August 06, 2018 12:43PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Rams43176August 06, 2018 12:50PM

  Ah... agreement lol

Atlantic Ram330August 06, 2018 01:22PM

  Re: Ah... agreement lol

Rams43261August 06, 2018 01:25PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Ekern55346August 06, 2018 03:21PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Ramsdude232August 06, 2018 03:28PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Ekern55179August 06, 2018 03:32PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Ramsdude250August 06, 2018 03:37PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Rampage2K-201August 06, 2018 07:13AM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Atlantic Ram184August 06, 2018 08:54AM

  Donald has zero leverage Atlantic

ferragamo79182August 06, 2018 10:29AM

  Re: I disagree with zero leverage

dzrams174August 06, 2018 10:49AM

  has a player sat out all season before?

ferragamo79180August 06, 2018 10:54AM

  Re: has a player sat out all season before?

dzrams184August 06, 2018 11:11AM

  I don't think he misses out on much

Atlantic Ram171August 06, 2018 12:35PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

max214August 06, 2018 07:27AM

  why?

zn194August 06, 2018 07:37AM

  Re: why?

Rams43193August 06, 2018 08:34AM

  Re: why?.....Totally agree 43.

oldschoolramfan246August 06, 2018 09:10AM

  Re: This is your interpretation...Not Facts...

dzrams181August 06, 2018 11:01AM

  Re: This is your interpretation...Not Facts...

Rams43193August 06, 2018 11:13AM

  Re: This is your interpretation...Not Facts...

dzrams192August 06, 2018 11:24AM

  You want facts? Here are some facts....

Rampage2K-218August 06, 2018 11:34AM

  Re: why?

max195August 06, 2018 08:39AM

  yeah that's the whole point (almost)

zn191August 06, 2018 08:54AM

  yep. 27M is not a real number, neither is 20M

max177August 06, 2018 09:16AM

  Re: yep. 27M is not a real number, neither is 20M

zn345August 06, 2018 10:55AM

  Your bias towards the player is unmistakable

max191August 06, 2018 11:22AM

  that right there is a 2 edged sword

zn177August 06, 2018 11:43AM

  Re: that right there is a 2 edged sword

Rams43188August 06, 2018 12:23PM

  Re: Your bias towards the player is unmistakable

Ramsdude203August 06, 2018 12:14PM

  Re: I generally agree with your potential outcomes...

dzrams175August 06, 2018 11:41AM

  Yeah, thats a fair perspective.

max174August 06, 2018 11:57AM

  Re: Yeah, thats a fair perspective.

zn179August 06, 2018 12:05PM

  Re: Yeah, thats a fair perspective.

max169August 06, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: I don't know...

dzrams172August 06, 2018 12:45PM

  Re: I don't know...

max174August 06, 2018 12:51PM

  Re: I don't know...

zn182August 06, 2018 01:01PM

  Re: I don't know...

dzrams180August 06, 2018 01:09PM

  Re: I don't know...

max175August 06, 2018 01:43PM

  Re: I don't know...

Rams43169August 06, 2018 02:03PM

  Starters may demand trades and get them, but Superstars don't.

RockRam177August 06, 2018 12:06PM

  Re: Not for the reasons you think...

dzrams175August 06, 2018 12:30PM

  Re: Not for the reasons you think...

Rams43255August 06, 2018 01:04PM

  Re: Good point...but one I've addressed before...

dzrams169August 06, 2018 01:31PM

  Re: Good point...but one I've addressed before...

Rams43173August 06, 2018 01:56PM

  Re: Good point...but one I've addressed before...

dzrams166August 06, 2018 03:26PM

  Re: Good point...but one I've addressed before...

Rams43169August 06, 2018 04:00PM

  Rams don't have final say on trade destination

zn174August 06, 2018 02:33PM

  Re: Rams don't have final say on trade destination

dzrams174August 06, 2018 03:36PM

  Re: Rams don't have final say on trade destination

Rams43186August 06, 2018 04:11PM

  Re: That's easy...

dzrams178August 06, 2018 05:51PM

  Re: That's easy...

Rams43286August 06, 2018 06:20PM

  Re: You're missing the emphasis on EVERY starting QB...

dzrams259August 06, 2018 06:36PM

  Re: You're missing the emphasis on EVERY starting QB...

Rams43165August 06, 2018 06:47PM

  Re: You're missing the emphasis on EVERY starting QB...

dzrams165August 06, 2018 06:58PM

  Re: You're missing the emphasis on EVERY starting QB...

Rams43163August 06, 2018 07:10PM

  Re: he has the power to subvert all that

Ekern55181August 06, 2018 03:11PM

  wasnt talking about this year

zn173August 06, 2018 03:35PM

  Re: wasnt talking about this year

Ekern55175August 06, 2018 04:12PM

  well you're wrong about the trade stuff

zn182August 06, 2018 05:00PM

  Re: well you're wrong about the trade stuff

Ekern55175August 06, 2018 05:39PM

  Re: wasnt talking about this year

Rams43165August 06, 2018 04:14PM

  The Eagles also lost

RamUK197August 06, 2018 09:23AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

oldschoolramfan235August 06, 2018 06:23AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

zn214August 06, 2018 06:33AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

Rams43290August 06, 2018 06:39AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

CeeZar207August 06, 2018 06:53AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

bigjimram21180August 06, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: Any Deal AD signs will only make him the highest paid D player...

bigjimram21186August 06, 2018 08:33AM

  I'll say it again

Ram_Ruler248August 06, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: I'll say it again - Bingo

BumRap174August 07, 2018 06:56PM

  The outcome here is inevitable...l

Rams43266August 06, 2018 06:54AM

  At this point I'm no longer interested ...

alyoshamucci274August 06, 2018 07:05AM

  Re: At this point I'm no longer interested ...

zn262August 06, 2018 07:19AM

  Re: At this point I'm no longer interested ...

bigjimram21208August 06, 2018 08:46AM

  Re: At this point I'm no longer interested ...

Rampage2K-253August 06, 2018 07:20AM

  I'm with you...

LMU93195August 06, 2018 11:47AM

  Re: I'm with you...

zn191August 06, 2018 12:13PM

  Re: I'm with you...

LMU93181August 07, 2018 02:49AM

  Re: I'm with you...

21Dog167August 07, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: Rams playing it perfect...

spagsbacker258August 06, 2018 07:30AM

  Bluff the bluffer

no name240August 06, 2018 09:08AM

  Re: Bluff the bluffer

dzrams207August 06, 2018 11:14AM

  Re: Bluff the bluffer

Rams43197August 06, 2018 11:16AM

  Re: Bluff the bluffer

dzrams190August 06, 2018 11:29AM

  Re: Bluff the bluffer

no name264August 06, 2018 11:27AM

  Re: Several problems with that....

dzrams206August 06, 2018 11:34AM

  A very relevant post on this topic by Mackeyser...

Rams43289August 06, 2018 02:15PM

  Who is going to pay $24 million AND.....

jemach241August 06, 2018 05:46PM

  Re: Who is going to pay $24 million AND.....

Rams43219August 06, 2018 06:25PM

  Re: Bingo!

dzrams222August 06, 2018 06:43PM

  Re: A STUD DL for 2 #1's.....IMHO "Keep Negotiating".

oldschoolramfan215August 07, 2018 04:15PM

  To play along...

DaJudge248August 08, 2018 06:05AM

  Re: Negotiating works both ways......

oldschoolramfan175August 08, 2018 07:08AM

  Re: Negotiating works both ways......

max170August 08, 2018 07:32AM