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Re: Moving forward without Donald

July 26, 2018 06:52AM
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zn
His "demands" are reasonable.

That is your opinion and that's why we are here Zach, to share our opinions and perhaps why we hold them. Incidentally, I did not offer my opinion or belief regarding what is reasonable or unreasonable. What I did say was, "They signed Suh to a one year deal and wanted to see if Donald's demands were going to continue to be simply too much." See ZN, what may be too much for the Rams might not be too much for someone else...what the Rams are offering might be much more than someone else...I was just talking about the Rams and IF they viewed Donald's demand as too far past their limit. Nothing about reasonable or unreasonable.

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zn
So let me re-write that sentence from the opposite point of view. Which is equally fictional and equally plausible as yours.

"The Rams refused to budge when it comes to giving Donald market value so they replaced him with a lesser player rather than offer a fair deal and in the meanwhile didn't even arrange to get something for him in a trade."

I did not offer any fiction ZN, I clearly offered my own personal "belief" (and clearly said that) and why that is what I currently believe. I said nothing about Donald and "what is fair," "refusing to budge," or "market value as determined by ZN." To summarize, I said I believe the Rams, based on what had taken place in the past knowing his demands (the Rams knowing whatever they are) and whether or not they could get close to them (and based on what has taken place since last year it doesn't appear they are real close) they had also prepared themselves somewhat to move forward without Donald. That's my opinion and belief, not fiction. Perhaps you disagree with my opinion, and that's fine, that's why we are here on this board. But when you characterize something as fiction the way you did it comes across as I was offering something as fact which was made up...nowhere to be found in my post.

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zn
Same thing, just flipped over. Again, equally fictional, equally plausible.

I still don't see any fiction in anything I said zn. I don't see anything remotely similar in your "flip" zn, or are you offering your actual belief & opinion?

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zn
All I really did was turn your perspective upside down as a way to stress a point: there's 2 sides to this and there is no magic elixir that automatically makes one of them "the truth." I don;t know yet how much truth is in either sentence, your original or my re-write.

I'm not being sarcastic when I say this zn, but you seem really sensitive on this issue. I've known you long enough that I don't think you would intentionally misrepresent and twist what someone says...but that is exactly what you did. Once again, nothing anywhere in my post about "fairness," or "market value," "reasonable or unreasonable." I presented nothing as "the truth" but clearly stated it was "my belief" and "my opinion." So regarding "how much truth" is in either sentence, I know mine was completely true as it is what I believe and why...which is what I offered.

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zn
I do know that quite often people just narrate this from the perspective of one bias or another. That may be inevitable to a certain extent. but it's not the same as trying to get a balanced view of what's really going on.

zn, it is amazing to me that you do not see your own extreme bias in many of your posts. You imply here that I did not give a balanced view of something? In fact, I'll just say it straight out. You apparently read into my post an attack on Donald, you see me claiming his demands are "unreasonable," something about "market value," me offering this as "fact,"and I guess you see me as siding with management. Here's the thing...that's all in your imagination because literally none of it is to be found in my post anywhere. So do you think your bias may be showing in what you read into my post and your response?

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zn
If management IS screwing up the Donald deal, though, I will be very frustrated and disappointed. It wouldn't be that hard to get this one right. But then we don't know enough yet to make fair judgments about what IS really happening.
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My post on the other hand did not speculate on who might be "screwing" with who, in fact, I didn't imply anyone was "screwing" with anyone. There was nothing in my post about one side or the other being the villain. You actually read so much into my post that wasn't there I honestly don't believe you read what is there.
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  Schefter says belief is Donald won’t be back until New contract

max1096July 26, 2018 02:54AM

  Rappoport: this should be lengthy (holdout)

max434July 26, 2018 03:08AM

  lol man is that telling

zn430July 26, 2018 03:47AM

  Let the games begin nm

Atlantic Ram211July 26, 2018 07:26AM

  Moving forward without Donald

ABQRam329July 26, 2018 03:50AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

zn452July 26, 2018 03:59AM

  1st- I agree we have no idea about the truth behind the scenes

SunTzu_vs_Camus439July 26, 2018 04:22AM

  well I have to disagree

zn244July 26, 2018 04:28AM

  The market is the market? right?

SunTzu_vs_Camus264July 26, 2018 05:02AM

  Re: The market is the market? right?

Rams43313July 26, 2018 05:07AM

  Market value is irrelevant

CeeZar232July 26, 2018 05:41AM

  not the case

zn221July 26, 2018 07:07AM

  Totally missed the point

CeeZar297July 26, 2018 07:22AM

  no I got that point

zn267July 26, 2018 07:28AM

  Geez Louise...

Rams43212July 26, 2018 07:58AM

  it;s too low for a very simple reason

zn730July 26, 2018 07:25AM

  maybe more about the years than the average?

LMU93229July 26, 2018 05:31AM

  Re: well I have to disagree

LMU93209July 26, 2018 05:43AM

  Re: 1st- I agree we have no idea about the truth behind the scenes

Ramsdude268July 26, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

ABQRam232July 26, 2018 06:52AM

  I bet he gets it in an open market...

jemach247July 26, 2018 04:00AM

  Rams can MATCH any offer if they choose to...with tag

SunTzu_vs_Camus233July 26, 2018 04:08AM

  That would be solution for 2019...

jemach217July 26, 2018 04:11AM

  Re: Rams can MATCH any offer if they choose to...with tag

zn233July 26, 2018 04:18AM

  Re: Not so fast...

dzrams289July 26, 2018 06:30AM

  Hmmm....is that the main reason......

NewMexicoRam195July 26, 2018 06:11AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

AlbaNY_Ram203July 26, 2018 06:17AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

dzrams209July 26, 2018 06:33AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

ABQRam216July 26, 2018 09:24AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

Rams43325July 26, 2018 09:54AM

  Re: Moving forward without Donald

oldschoolramfan254July 26, 2018 07:09AM

  After further thinking...Aug 8th in Aaron Donald's mind means zilch...

jemach262July 26, 2018 03:56AM

  Re: After further thinking...Aug 8th in Aaron Donald's mind means zilch...

zn279July 26, 2018 04:08AM

  Re: After further thinking...Aug 8th in Aaron Donald's mind means zilch...

Rams43388July 26, 2018 05:38AM

  Spot on - nm

CeeZar199July 26, 2018 05:43AM

  agree

BC Ramsfan199July 26, 2018 06:31AM

  The Counterpoint to that is

RamsFanSince69195July 26, 2018 10:45AM

  Re: The Counterpoint to that is

Rams43371July 26, 2018 11:05AM

  Fans tend to side with management on these issues...

jemach203July 26, 2018 05:53AM

  Re: Fans tend to side with management on these issues...

Rams43184July 26, 2018 06:08AM

  Re: Question on the guaranteed amount...

dzrams254July 26, 2018 10:54AM

  Speaking for myself

CeeZar203July 26, 2018 06:10AM

  Re: Speaking for myself

Rampage2K-230July 26, 2018 10:36AM

  Re: Bingo

RamsFanSinceLA189July 26, 2018 01:20PM

  I side with wanting it to be over with

LMU93192July 26, 2018 06:46AM

  +1 (NM)

zn359July 26, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: After further thinking...Aug 8th in Aaron Donald's mind means zilch...

Steve726July 26, 2018 07:04AM

  agree with some of this

max338July 26, 2018 04:12AM

  Other players revolt for A.D.? Be serious.

RockRam233July 26, 2018 10:14AM

  Re: Rams are playing this right...

spagsbacker239July 26, 2018 05:24AM

  Donald should be grateful?

jemach210July 26, 2018 05:34AM

  Re: Schefter says belief is Donald won’t be back until New contract

reggae238July 26, 2018 05:29AM

  Re: I think he’s being greedy and getting bad advice

Speed_Kills377July 26, 2018 05:47AM

  Re: +1

spagsbacker516July 26, 2018 05:57AM

  Opinions...

Ramsdude227July 26, 2018 06:07AM

  Nice post....

RAMbler190July 26, 2018 07:56AM

  Re: I think he’s being greedy and getting bad advice

zn267July 26, 2018 07:40AM

  Why are some defending Stan's money so passionately

promomasterj338July 26, 2018 08:00AM

  Re: I’m not defending Stan’s money

Speed_Kills238July 26, 2018 08:05AM

  sure Rams should pay everybody max deals

ferragamo79181July 26, 2018 08:19AM

  yes Nm

Speed_Kills238July 26, 2018 08:30AM

  How about we pay them what both sides agree on?

promomasterj172July 26, 2018 11:41AM

  Re: How about we pay them what both sides agree on?

Rampage2K-236July 26, 2018 11:49AM

  Re: Why are some defending Stan's money so passionately

Rams43238July 26, 2018 08:28AM

  To expand on your point

AlbaNY_Ram247July 26, 2018 08:42AM

  A few big contracts don't put you in cap trouble

promomasterj211July 26, 2018 11:45AM

  Re: Why are some defending Stan's money so passionately

zn171July 26, 2018 12:35PM

  This isn't about Stan's money; it's about fitting AD in under a hard cap

RockRam412July 26, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: This isn't about Stan's money; it's about fitting AD in under a hard cap

BarryRams257July 26, 2018 12:51PM

  Re: The Patriot formula...

dzrams236July 26, 2018 01:33PM

  and

zn221July 26, 2018 01:35PM

  Re: I think he’s being greedy and getting bad advice

Speed_Kills240July 26, 2018 08:03AM

  Re: I think he’s being greedy and getting bad advice

zn255July 26, 2018 08:09AM

  Re: I’m not lecturing players

Speed_Kills234July 26, 2018 08:28AM

  Re: I’m not lecturing players

zn444July 26, 2018 01:32PM

  Re: I think he’s being greedy and getting bad advice

Rams43243July 26, 2018 08:25AM

  trade him to the browns for 2 # 1"s and a player..nm

VANRAM331July 26, 2018 08:39AM

  I don’t believe you

max200July 26, 2018 09:22AM

  Re: I don’t believe you

zn686July 26, 2018 09:33AM

  Re: I don’t believe you

Rams43260July 26, 2018 10:10AM

  THIS IS NOT A 2ND CONTRACT

BarryRams267July 26, 2018 11:21AM

  Re: THIS IS NOT A 2ND CONTRACT

zn200July 26, 2018 11:44AM

  If they terminate the initial deal and he gets a new deal...

jemach260July 26, 2018 12:28PM

  Report: Donald won't play another down on current contract

Speedball89238July 26, 2018 08:54AM

  It's Donald's right to commit financial if not career suicide

RockRam215July 26, 2018 10:10AM

  none of that's going to happen

zn279July 26, 2018 10:22AM

  What Superstar player under contract in recent times demanded trade and got it?

RockRam256July 26, 2018 11:22AM

  Re: What Superstar player under contract in recent times demanded trade and got it?

zn202July 26, 2018 11:48AM

  Nope. You have provided a non answer to something you can't back up.

RockRam205July 26, 2018 12:28PM

  Re: Nope. You have provided a non answer to something you can't back up.

zn352July 26, 2018 01:28PM

  Excuse me? I made no such claim. It's your claim we're talking about

RockRam179July 26, 2018 03:50PM

  Re: Limiting to 5 years is an arbitrary distinction for no good reason...

dzrams822July 26, 2018 02:07PM

  Sure it makes sense

RockRam175July 26, 2018 03:55PM

  Re: Julio Jones says hello...

dzrams319July 26, 2018 11:04AM

  Re: It's Donald's right to commit financial if not career suicide

David Deacon236July 26, 2018 11:57AM

  Excellent post!!

RockRam207July 26, 2018 12:34PM

  Rams should bring Hankins in for a visit

no name391July 26, 2018 10:45AM

  and while they're at it

zn242July 26, 2018 12:40PM

  How is Hankins hard ball?

promomasterj178July 26, 2018 04:07PM

  Just wait until we have to pay Goff - some of y'all are gonna faint

promomasterj250July 26, 2018 04:14PM