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More things mean much more: Many things mean much more: Agreed

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March 26, 2022 10:00AM
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JimYoungblood53
how MUCH do you want to pay for that "pedigree"?

I never said I was willing to overpay for past pedigree

Ask yourself is that pedigree current, will he be the 2016 Wagner of the 2021 Wagner

Will the 2022 Wageer be better or worse than the 2021 Wagner?


I don't need to ask myself. I'm not on record pricing Wagner as if he's as valuable as his 2016 verson. I get that projecting the 2022 version for BW is risky and not worth the risk of offering him a contract based on name or past pedigree.

Remember Reeder is not the LBer anymore, Jones is.

I never mentioned Reeder. I know all about Ernest Jones. Seen him with my own eyes. Jones looks like another steal by the Rams draft gurus.

And Rams run a 1 Lber defense the vast majority of the time.

Yes they do run a 1 LBer defense. My support for signing Bobby Wagner is more about leadership and upgrading depth should there be injuries.

So, who would get the snaps an ascending player? or a declining player
who used to be great who is now still good, but not great
?

I think my above answers to your other questions don't need to be related to this question.

I think CB and edge are more glaring needs. Jones, to me, proved himself . . .

Agree with this. I think most Rams fans probably do.

Wagner is a nice name and still a good player, but he's slower, misses tackles
and if you trust PFF (not perfect, but a fair and reasonable starting point) he's declining
in everything....


No debate from me. Nice names are often based on prior performance. I still think Wags has some gas in his tank, but clearly he doesn't get the same mileage he did a few years ago.

Age is relative to the player, London Fletcher was young at 31, Wagner may be an "old" 31.
But one thing is for sure, going by tackle numbers to evaluate a player is silly.


I agree and would like to believe, most educated NFL fans understand total tackles can grossly be inflated for various reasons. This can also be the case for offensive and special teams stats.

Tackles/Sacks/INT's/Total Yards/TD's/Yds per catch/Yds per carry/Yds per completion and many others.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

JimYoungblood53822March 23, 2022 05:34PM

  I think we all know

Ramsdude442March 24, 2022 04:24AM

  I think Wagner would be help to Jones even if Jones sits

JimYoungblood53159March 24, 2022 12:39PM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Leoram349March 24, 2022 04:37AM

  The Rams learned how to stop the whiners run game in the NFCCG...

RAMbler162March 24, 2022 07:30AM

  I agree. He's lost a step.

BigGame81225March 24, 2022 04:44AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

AlbaNY_Ram189March 24, 2022 05:20AM

  Exactly and dont forget how the rams exploited some of his weaknesses recently nm

joram389March 24, 2022 06:18AM

  PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles Attachments

JimYoungblood53213March 24, 2022 12:42PM

  He used to grade where AD did (in the 90s)

JimYoungblood53123March 24, 2022 12:44PM

  Re: He used to grade where AD did (in the 90s)

george_allen135March 24, 2022 03:21PM

  It's more about allocating resources Attachments

JimYoungblood53135March 24, 2022 04:14PM

  Re: It's more about allocating resources

george_allen136March 26, 2022 04:40PM

  Re: PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles

Rams43189March 25, 2022 06:39AM

  Re: PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles

SoCalRAMatic145March 25, 2022 08:15AM

  Problem is McVay wants or did want Staley's defense

JimYoungblood53154March 25, 2022 09:25AM

  Re: Youngblood's knife

leafnose211March 27, 2022 04:48AM

  Re: Youngblood's knife

Rams43116March 27, 2022 05:39AM

  The flip side is maybe they could change the scheme

JimYoungblood53207March 27, 2022 09:25AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Classicalwit246March 24, 2022 06:35AM

  He's 31..... Donald is 30 Darius Williams 29

ferragamo79180March 24, 2022 08:12AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Ramstien180March 24, 2022 04:09PM

  Tackles don't mean much

JimYoungblood53188March 24, 2022 05:00PM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much

Ramstien162March 24, 2022 05:21PM

  Sure it does.

JimYoungblood53257March 24, 2022 06:55PM

  JY53 has made some intelligent, and excellent, points

Coy Bacon143March 25, 2022 10:55AM

  Re: JY53 has made some intelligent, and excellent, points

AlbaNY_Ram228March 25, 2022 04:36PM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much

Coy Bacon211March 25, 2022 10:57AM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much: Depends on the player JY53

Anonymous User175March 24, 2022 05:31PM

  More things mean much more

JimYoungblood53286March 24, 2022 07:01PM

  Re: More things mean much more

Ramsdude148March 25, 2022 06:18AM

  More things mean much more: Many things mean much more: Agreed

Anonymous User194March 26, 2022 10:00AM

  Tackles are especially poor

JimYoungblood53199March 26, 2022 10:47AM

  Tackles are especially poor: Yes sir JY53: Did he sign with Ravens?

Anonymous User411March 26, 2022 12:39PM

  Took this from Twitter---no idea which is better Attachments

JimYoungblood53178March 26, 2022 12:51PM

  Took this from Twitter---no idea which is better: Depth is my concern

Anonymous User223March 26, 2022 01:00PM

  Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon218March 25, 2022 06:23PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Ramkind184March 25, 2022 06:29PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

joram307March 26, 2022 02:04AM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon283March 26, 2022 04:46AM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

h2omelonhead148March 26, 2022 06:47PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Killrazor125March 26, 2022 11:11PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon104March 27, 2022 09:08AM

  If it comes down to Wagner or a CB or Edge due to the cap....

dodgerram149March 26, 2022 10:59PM

  Re: If it comes down to Wagner or a CB or Edge due to the cap....

BerendsenRam133March 28, 2022 08:36AM