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Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

March 26, 2022 06:47PM
The tapes show to me that he's still good, but certainly has lost some.
Rams need more secondary help imo, If a Wagner deal prevents Rams from getting secondary or line help, then I wouldn't do it.

Run Defense: He's still good. Can still sniff out the play and he his tackling is still good. However, when he is fooled, he can't recover as well anymore. This is when you see the Seahawks give up long runs.. you'll see that Wagner is in the wrong gap or has floated to the wrong side in a misdirection and he can't get back fast enough. Kittle can outrun Wagner.

Rushing the QB: That's not his role. That's Jamal Adams' job based on the Seahawks scheme.

Pass Defense: Wagner is pretty much in pass coverage. He'll be at the spot, but for those that want players to challenge the ball, that's not him. People will catch it and he will tackle them immediately. So if the sticks are 8 yards and the receiver is at 8 yards.. expect the receiver to catch it and get the first down with Wagner covering.

Watching Rams games to assess Wagner isn't great. Divisional teams know how to maintain the stars. Wagner has his worst games against the Rams and it's not surprising. Seahawks have him doubling Kupp most of the time, so he's pretty much out of the play. I was also searching for the missed tackles that were logged in the week 5 game. I think they called a missed tackle when he was in the hole ready to tackle but then got pushed in the back by Corbett or someone. He went flying and whiffed on the RB. should have been called a penalty against the Rams, but we got away with that lol.

Against the Niners, he isn't great either and can't get out on the edge. He's mainly a center field guy.

What is interesting is watching non divisional teams play against Wagner as they aren't used to scheming against him and getting a lineman to come off their block to engage him.

If he's asking for huge money and long term.. no way.. I wouldn't sign him.
If it's rational money, short term, that gives the front office flexibility to beef up the secondary or line, then fine.
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  Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

JimYoungblood53821March 23, 2022 05:34PM

  I think we all know

Ramsdude442March 24, 2022 04:24AM

  I think Wagner would be help to Jones even if Jones sits

JimYoungblood53158March 24, 2022 12:39PM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Leoram349March 24, 2022 04:37AM

  The Rams learned how to stop the whiners run game in the NFCCG...

RAMbler162March 24, 2022 07:30AM

  I agree. He's lost a step.

BigGame81225March 24, 2022 04:44AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

AlbaNY_Ram189March 24, 2022 05:20AM

  Exactly and dont forget how the rams exploited some of his weaknesses recently nm

joram389March 24, 2022 06:18AM

  PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles Attachments

JimYoungblood53213March 24, 2022 12:42PM

  He used to grade where AD did (in the 90s)

JimYoungblood53123March 24, 2022 12:44PM

  Re: He used to grade where AD did (in the 90s)

george_allen135March 24, 2022 03:21PM

  It's more about allocating resources Attachments

JimYoungblood53135March 24, 2022 04:14PM

  Re: It's more about allocating resources

george_allen135March 26, 2022 04:40PM

  Re: PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles

Rams43189March 25, 2022 06:39AM

  Re: PFF is not 100% foolproof but they are much better than tackles

SoCalRAMatic145March 25, 2022 08:15AM

  Problem is McVay wants or did want Staley's defense

JimYoungblood53153March 25, 2022 09:25AM

  Re: Youngblood's knife

leafnose211March 27, 2022 04:48AM

  Re: Youngblood's knife

Rams43116March 27, 2022 05:39AM

  The flip side is maybe they could change the scheme

JimYoungblood53207March 27, 2022 09:25AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Classicalwit246March 24, 2022 06:35AM

  He's 31..... Donald is 30 Darius Williams 29

ferragamo79180March 24, 2022 08:12AM

  Re: Wagner would be huge upgrade (to Reeder), but he's not the BW of past

Ramstien179March 24, 2022 04:09PM

  Tackles don't mean much

JimYoungblood53188March 24, 2022 05:00PM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much

Ramstien162March 24, 2022 05:21PM

  Sure it does.

JimYoungblood53257March 24, 2022 06:55PM

  JY53 has made some intelligent, and excellent, points

Coy Bacon143March 25, 2022 10:55AM

  Re: JY53 has made some intelligent, and excellent, points

AlbaNY_Ram228March 25, 2022 04:36PM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much

Coy Bacon210March 25, 2022 10:57AM

  Re: Tackles don't mean much: Depends on the player JY53

Anonymous User175March 24, 2022 05:31PM

  More things mean much more

JimYoungblood53286March 24, 2022 07:01PM

  Re: More things mean much more

Ramsdude148March 25, 2022 06:18AM

  More things mean much more: Many things mean much more: Agreed

Anonymous User194March 26, 2022 10:00AM

  Tackles are especially poor

JimYoungblood53199March 26, 2022 10:47AM

  Tackles are especially poor: Yes sir JY53: Did he sign with Ravens?

Anonymous User410March 26, 2022 12:39PM

  Took this from Twitter---no idea which is better Attachments

JimYoungblood53177March 26, 2022 12:51PM

  Took this from Twitter---no idea which is better: Depth is my concern

Anonymous User223March 26, 2022 01:00PM

  Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon218March 25, 2022 06:23PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Ramkind184March 25, 2022 06:29PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

joram307March 26, 2022 02:04AM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon282March 26, 2022 04:46AM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

h2omelonhead146March 26, 2022 06:47PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Killrazor125March 26, 2022 11:11PM

  Re: Watching Wagner video replay, not sold on him

Coy Bacon103March 27, 2022 09:08AM

  If it comes down to Wagner or a CB or Edge due to the cap....

dodgerram149March 26, 2022 10:59PM

  Re: If it comes down to Wagner or a CB or Edge due to the cap....

BerendsenRam133March 28, 2022 08:36AM