June 18, 2021 02:42PM
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Coy Bacon
Zn,
You've been carrying water for Fisher's failure for years, and you've repeated your argument over and over and over again. "But Fisher had this and that problem."

And I have yet to see anyone counter this claim with facts and or examples: it is hard to win if you don't have a starting caliber qb AND a healthy, solid OL about 80% of the time.

What happens instead is the topic shifts to being about the poster.

Meanwhile what is it I am actually claiming? It's a simple thing--odds are great you win more if those 2 factors are stable. I don't say he would be in the hall of fame or is a great coach or would win the division every year.

What this discussion has routinely shown me is this. I offer a challenge--show me where someone does well with the conditions I name. No one provides examples. So they make it about "zn."

You can instead just say you don't care, you don't like Fisher and his approach anyway, that yeah teams do better if those 2 aspects are solid (which is just common sense) but Fisher wasn't good enough on the offensive side to take it very far anyway. And so on.

You don't have to pretend that the conditions I name are meaningless (we know damm well they are meaningful) and you don't have to act like it's really about the poster.

Fair enough?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2021 02:45PM by zn.
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  I thought this on Fisher was spot-on...

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dzrams246June 18, 2021 07:27AM

  No kidding. Good grief. Are we really going to find a way to defend Fisher?

RockRam154June 20, 2021 08:22AM

  Re: No kidding. Good grief. Are we really going to find a way to defend Fisher?

dzrams143June 20, 2021 10:00AM

  Re: No kidding. Good grief. Are we really going to find a way to defend Fisher?

zn126June 20, 2021 10:16AM

  Re: No kidding. Good grief. Are we really going to find a way to defend Fisher?

Coy Bacon119June 20, 2021 10:37AM

  He also drafted Gurley

stlramz144June 20, 2021 10:59AM

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zn120June 20, 2021 11:06AM

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dzrams177June 18, 2021 01:34PM

  I think Seattle's Pete Carroll might be such an example....

SunTzu_vs_Camus128June 19, 2021 04:48AM

  Re: I think Seattle's Pete Carroll might be such an example....

zn218June 19, 2021 06:12AM

  agreed...for all the plaudits Wilson gets...

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  Re: agreed...for all the plaudits Wilson gets...

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zn159June 19, 2021 02:19AM

  ?

stlramz137June 19, 2021 06:45AM

  Re: ?

zn131June 19, 2021 07:10AM

  Forget the death match, answer his question

stlramz189June 19, 2021 10:30AM

  Re: Forget the death match, answer his question

zn149June 19, 2021 10:47AM

  Fisher a top 5 coach!???

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  Re: Fisher a top 5 coach!???

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  Re: ?

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zn392June 19, 2021 08:48AM

  You are in no position to lecture anyone

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dzrams212June 18, 2021 07:18AM

  Me too. Nm

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