Re: I thought this on Fisher was spot-on...

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I don't think it's really slamming Fisher. I'm glad they brought him in in 2012. Taking a team with a 5-year win percentage of .188 and winning .430 over the next four years in the toughest division in the league at that time shouldn't be dismissed at all. And he went 10-15 (.400) with backup QBs from mid-2013 through 2014. But I think the general idea that Fisher could make a bad team mediocre but that's really about it is accurate.

I don't agree still--he had an unusual streak of injury bad luck. I mean, having viable OLs plus a starting caliber qb for only 16% of your games is just going to have an effect on winning. Now I don't know what his winning percentage would be if his injury situation was more normal. But it would have been better. So what you are calling mediocre seasons is the result of circumstances more than any other single factor.

You can say the same thing about 2019. What if the 2019 Rams had a relatively healthy, experienced, and well-stocked OL that was at least solid all season. Would it have won more than 9 games? Chances are very good that yes--of course it would have.

Don’t you suppose that if the other 31 team owners agreed with your position defending Fisher that he would have received HC job offers at some point in the last 5 years?

So, since Fisher received no offers…

No that has nothing to do with it. There is a long list of coaches in broadcasting now who could win if they got hired, like Billick, but who just did not get hired after a certain age. For that matter do you believe Wade Phillips can still coach? I do. But he's not going to get hired.

This is what you have to deal with me, 43. Regardless of your feelings, assumptions, beliefs etc. you have to contend with actual arguments. This is the argument. A coach who does not have both a starting caliber veteran qb and a decently solid, relatively healthy OL most of the time is not going to win much. I don't know how much more they would win if they had those things, I just know winning a lot under those conditions is not very likely. An argument that would gain ground against that claim would be to name examples of coaches who did win under those conditions. Unless you can produce such a list, I just see you having no argument---you just don't like Fisher. Which is fine with me. But also you take your opinion as a truth and so can't let me state my opinion on the matter without having to jump in and fight it. Which is also fine with me.


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Your ‘actual arguments’ have morphed into an avoidance of reality, zn.

So no list of coaches who could and did win under those conditions?

I think it's indicative of the difference between McVay and Fisher. Under those conditions, it was something of an accomplishment to go 7-9. Under something like those conditions--though he at least had the qb--the best McV could do was 9-7. In contrast, Linehan in 2007 and 2008, though he had the qb at least part of the time, could only go 3-17.