November 27, 2019 05:19PM
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You and I are talking about two distinct things.

You always assume people who express concern about Goff are ONLY basing that on his performance this year. Very bad assumption.

I haven't even engaged in the frame of things dating back to 2007 because it's irrelevant for me since my concerns with Goff predate any injury issues. I've told you specifically several times, with emphasis each time, that my concerns are based on 2018 data points. Last year the OL did not have 'injuries to the point where they can no longer play effectively as a unit.'

And yet...he still was one of the worst ranked QBs in the league under pressure. It's a weak area for him. Period.

I was looking for him to show improvement in that area in 2019. Obviously that hasn't happened and that's where this year's injuries become relevant. But he wasn't good in this category prior to any injuries.

That's a fact. Surely you can stay on point and acknowledge that.

Last year however, the OL was overwhelmed in certain key games. There were problems with Sullivan, Blythe could be targetted, and Hav did not hold up against a strong DL.

Coincidentally, those are also games where Goff's performance suffered.

To me if you just have an OL that does average against a strong front, and Goff would be better. And that's not on the qb.

In 2017 Wilson had one of his worst games ever against a strong Rams pass rush his OL could not contain. It's not like this rare thing.

Agreed that the OL was overwhelmed in certain key games last year. That feeds precisely into my point.

The QB pressures in those games were much higher. Frankly, I don't care if the OL is not performing and allowing pressure because of injuries, player regression, or lack of coherence. Pressure is pressure.

And Goff is horrible under pressure. Not average. Not just a little worse like all QBs. Horrible! That's my point.

You're not making a distinction between worse and worst. All QBs do worse under pressure; Goff is dang near the worst. His performance under pressure is pretty much in line with marginal starters and career backups. This is a fact...to this point.

Because Goff completely collapses under pressure, if the Rams are going to continue to roll with him as their QB, they must maintain a top 5 OL. And this top OL has to be able to stand strong against physical fronts especially because that's mostly what they'll be facing with top teams and in the playoffs.

If they do that, then they have a top performing QB. If they don't, we'll keep getting the bad offense we've seen over the last 19 games.

No pressure is not pressure. And yes it makes a difference.

If an OL is broken or in this case routinely overwhelmed, then several things happen. First it wears the qb down and not just in a game, across games. It changes the dynamic of the offense and what they can call. It sets up an expectation where if the qb is going to do anything he is going to have to press. It erodes confidence and so on.

The reason there is consistent pressure matters. Context always matters.

Your stats would mean something if it were possible to isolate circumstances. So for example, how do qbs do under pressure when game after game the pressure is high and constant and on top of it they are scaling back the offense because there are certain things they know they should not even try.

It is never just the qb.

Using just QB stats doesn't help with that.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/27/2019 05:21PM by zn.
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  QB Ratings Under Pressure

dzrams971November 27, 2019 01:41PM

  We seem to be in two camps...

JamesJM383November 27, 2019 01:47PM

  I'm in both camps

RamUK238November 28, 2019 07:51AM

  Re: We know what he is

merlin268November 28, 2019 09:52PM

  Re: We know what he is

Rampage2K-208November 29, 2019 11:13AM

  I am with you

Los Angeles Lenny184November 29, 2019 08:58AM

  The camps are not mutually exclusive

waterfield214November 29, 2019 12:47PM

  Re: We seem to be in two camps...

zn422November 29, 2019 01:49PM

  no that is not what I am talking about

zn313November 27, 2019 01:56PM

  People are not in denial, ZN...

JamesJM265November 27, 2019 02:00PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

zn238November 27, 2019 02:01PM

  And I do not..

JamesJM243November 27, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: And I do not..

zn240November 27, 2019 02:06PM

  I HATE when you do that...

JamesJM294November 27, 2019 02:11PM

  Re: I HATE when you do that...

zn525November 27, 2019 05:11PM

  Re: And I do not..

21Dog236November 27, 2019 02:10PM

  Funny thing about all this...

JamesJM280November 27, 2019 02:12PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

Classicalwit237November 28, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams325November 27, 2019 02:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn274November 27, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams245November 27, 2019 05:12PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn220November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams249November 28, 2019 02:16PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn211November 28, 2019 03:21PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

SeattleRam233November 27, 2019 05:04PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams220November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: Yes...

zn228November 27, 2019 05:23PM

  Re: Yes...

SeattleRam230November 27, 2019 08:25PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams277November 28, 2019 03:09PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

zn242November 28, 2019 05:40AM

  Some relevant data

rampage666223November 28, 2019 02:46PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure - Why is this?

David Deacon446November 28, 2019 03:46AM

  Re: Good post...

dzrams195November 28, 2019 02:19PM

  A "top" O line

NewMexicoRam209November 28, 2019 04:44AM

  Re: Agree 100%.........

oldschoolramfan189November 28, 2019 06:37AM

  Good metrics ... one thing I'd mention ...

alyoshamucci257November 28, 2019 07:34AM

  Re: Brilliant question...

dzrams230November 28, 2019 07:10PM

  3 year data comparison and some thoughts.

rampage666195November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Offense has a trio of issues

Drew2839309November 29, 2019 02:03AM

  I get it, he does not do well under pressure but when he has time he is a Super Bowl QB

Los Angeles Lenny660November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Re: Sure...

dzrams197November 29, 2019 10:12AM

  I totally agree

Los Angeles Lenny287November 29, 2019 11:18AM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

dzrams236November 29, 2019 12:12PM

  who said no one does well under pressure? you're barking up the wrong tree

zn177November 29, 2019 12:55PM

  Re: Doesn't matter what issue YOU were addressing...

dzrams205November 29, 2019 01:38PM

  yes it does

zn197November 29, 2019 01:55PM

  Re: I disagree...

dzrams181November 29, 2019 02:29PM

  Re: I disagree...

zn193November 29, 2019 04:36PM

  Re: I disagree...

george_allen215November 29, 2019 05:31PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams192November 29, 2019 06:02PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666205November 29, 2019 06:08PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams183November 29, 2019 06:23PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666310November 29, 2019 07:01PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn175November 29, 2019 07:43PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666194November 30, 2019 08:36AM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn184November 30, 2019 09:18AM

  that's not evidence my friend it's conjecture

zn202November 29, 2019 06:37PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

dzrams180November 29, 2019 07:12PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

zn304November 29, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

rampage666171November 29, 2019 07:54PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams184November 29, 2019 08:53PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn176November 29, 2019 10:30PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666206November 30, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn294November 30, 2019 09:27AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666176November 30, 2019 09:51AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn179November 30, 2019 11:29AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams185November 30, 2019 05:13PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn192December 01, 2019 03:43AM

  For the record

Drew2839196November 29, 2019 06:20PM

  Re: I got you...

dzrams179November 29, 2019 06:36PM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

rampage666210November 29, 2019 02:10PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

dzrams184November 29, 2019 03:29PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

rampage666191November 29, 2019 04:20PM