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who said no one does well under pressure? you're barking up the wrong tree

November 29, 2019 12:55PM
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dzrams
There is an oft repeated, but erroneous assertion that only Wilson and Brady perform well under pressure. s.

Nope. That is not what anyone said.

What I said was that they are the only 2 qbs I can think of who do well with subpar and/or injury decimated OLs.

The mistake is to reduce that to being about "pressure."

That's only a part of it, when the OL collapses.

First off the issue is not just pressure in a given game, it's consistent relentless pressure at a high level in game after game after game.

Do you have a stat on qbs being worn out by subpar OLs?

There's also the fact the playcalling changes because the OL is no longer cohesive.

There's also the fact that the qb loses confidence in the OL. Invariably they start pressing.

"Pressure stats" do not tell us what pressure percentage the qb faces in several series of games.

And there's no way for those stats to weed out which qbs are playing well or below average behind broken OLs.

Again, I have seen only 2 qbs play well behind injury depleted OLs. You know who they are.

And the broken OL is the issue I was addressing. I did not say a word about "qbs under pressure" taken as an isolated thing in itself.

To reiterate (and add more): It's not just dealing with pressure. It's dealing with lack of cohesion, run and pass. It's dealing with increased OL penalties. It's dealing with more 3rd and long situations. Plus more failure on 3rd and short situations. It's dealing with the fact that the playbook has to be cut back. It's dealing with the fact that the qb loses confidence in the OL and begins pressing. They can't score as effectively so as often as not they play from behind. Etc.

And I keep saying those things. I have a little list of things like that I often toss in when I talk about broken OLs and their effect. I never say it's just about pressure taken in itself, because it's not. It doesn't reduce to that.



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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2019 01:17PM by zn.
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  QB Ratings Under Pressure

dzrams967November 27, 2019 01:41PM

  We seem to be in two camps...

JamesJM380November 27, 2019 01:47PM

  I'm in both camps

RamUK237November 28, 2019 07:51AM

  Re: We know what he is

merlin266November 28, 2019 09:52PM

  Re: We know what he is

Rampage2K-206November 29, 2019 11:13AM

  I am with you

Los Angeles Lenny182November 29, 2019 08:58AM

  The camps are not mutually exclusive

waterfield213November 29, 2019 12:47PM

  Re: We seem to be in two camps...

zn420November 29, 2019 01:49PM

  no that is not what I am talking about

zn311November 27, 2019 01:56PM

  People are not in denial, ZN...

JamesJM263November 27, 2019 02:00PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

zn237November 27, 2019 02:01PM

  And I do not..

JamesJM241November 27, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: And I do not..

zn239November 27, 2019 02:06PM

  I HATE when you do that...

JamesJM293November 27, 2019 02:11PM

  Re: I HATE when you do that...

zn523November 27, 2019 05:11PM

  Re: And I do not..

21Dog235November 27, 2019 02:10PM

  Funny thing about all this...

JamesJM279November 27, 2019 02:12PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

Classicalwit235November 28, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams322November 27, 2019 02:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn272November 27, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams243November 27, 2019 05:12PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn218November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams248November 28, 2019 02:16PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn210November 28, 2019 03:21PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

SeattleRam231November 27, 2019 05:04PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams218November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: Yes...

zn226November 27, 2019 05:23PM

  Re: Yes...

SeattleRam229November 27, 2019 08:25PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams275November 28, 2019 03:09PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

zn240November 28, 2019 05:40AM

  Some relevant data

rampage666222November 28, 2019 02:46PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure - Why is this?

David Deacon443November 28, 2019 03:46AM

  Re: Good post...

dzrams193November 28, 2019 02:19PM

  A "top" O line

NewMexicoRam206November 28, 2019 04:44AM

  Re: Agree 100%.........

oldschoolramfan187November 28, 2019 06:37AM

  Good metrics ... one thing I'd mention ...

alyoshamucci255November 28, 2019 07:34AM

  Re: Brilliant question...

dzrams226November 28, 2019 07:10PM

  3 year data comparison and some thoughts.

rampage666194November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Offense has a trio of issues

Drew2839307November 29, 2019 02:03AM

  I get it, he does not do well under pressure but when he has time he is a Super Bowl QB

Los Angeles Lenny658November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Re: Sure...

dzrams195November 29, 2019 10:12AM

  I totally agree

Los Angeles Lenny281November 29, 2019 11:18AM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

dzrams234November 29, 2019 12:12PM

  who said no one does well under pressure? you're barking up the wrong tree

zn175November 29, 2019 12:55PM

  Re: Doesn't matter what issue YOU were addressing...

dzrams204November 29, 2019 01:38PM

  yes it does

zn195November 29, 2019 01:55PM

  Re: I disagree...

dzrams180November 29, 2019 02:29PM

  Re: I disagree...

zn191November 29, 2019 04:36PM

  Re: I disagree...

george_allen213November 29, 2019 05:31PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams190November 29, 2019 06:02PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666203November 29, 2019 06:08PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams181November 29, 2019 06:23PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666308November 29, 2019 07:01PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn173November 29, 2019 07:43PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666192November 30, 2019 08:36AM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn183November 30, 2019 09:18AM

  that's not evidence my friend it's conjecture

zn199November 29, 2019 06:37PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

dzrams178November 29, 2019 07:12PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

zn301November 29, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

rampage666169November 29, 2019 07:54PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams182November 29, 2019 08:53PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn174November 29, 2019 10:30PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666203November 30, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn292November 30, 2019 09:27AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666174November 30, 2019 09:51AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn177November 30, 2019 11:29AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams183November 30, 2019 05:13PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn190December 01, 2019 03:43AM

  For the record

Drew2839194November 29, 2019 06:20PM

  Re: I got you...

dzrams177November 29, 2019 06:36PM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

rampage666208November 29, 2019 02:10PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

dzrams182November 29, 2019 03:29PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

rampage666190November 29, 2019 04:20PM