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no that is not what I am talking about

November 27, 2019 01:56PM
This is a separate and distinct thing.

It's not "qbs under pressure" under normal conditions.

It's when OLs fall apart, and that is a distinct thing.

Unless you have stat on "qb play when an OL has injuries to the point where they can no longer play effectively as a unit" then you're not chasing the right thing.

Besides, if what you claim is true, WERE true, you could name me examples. Examples of qbs whose OLs fall apart and yet they could play consistently well under those conditions from game to game.

It would be easy to name examples.

This debate has gone on for years, back to 2007. Believe me some people were in denial then too. That OL lost player after player, and the replacements were being replaced. Yet person after person said yes a good qb could play under those conditions. No one could name me examples then either.

Since 2007 I added Brady and Wilson on my own as exceptions when I saw that in different years, with OLs that fell apart, they could play pretty well for the most part in regular season games.
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  QB Ratings Under Pressure

dzrams966November 27, 2019 01:41PM

  We seem to be in two camps...

JamesJM380November 27, 2019 01:47PM

  I'm in both camps

RamUK237November 28, 2019 07:51AM

  Re: We know what he is

merlin266November 28, 2019 09:52PM

  Re: We know what he is

Rampage2K-206November 29, 2019 11:13AM

  I am with you

Los Angeles Lenny182November 29, 2019 08:58AM

  The camps are not mutually exclusive

waterfield212November 29, 2019 12:47PM

  Re: We seem to be in two camps...

zn420November 29, 2019 01:49PM

  no that is not what I am talking about

zn310November 27, 2019 01:56PM

  People are not in denial, ZN...

JamesJM263November 27, 2019 02:00PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

zn236November 27, 2019 02:01PM

  And I do not..

JamesJM240November 27, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: And I do not..

zn239November 27, 2019 02:06PM

  I HATE when you do that...

JamesJM292November 27, 2019 02:11PM

  Re: I HATE when you do that...

zn522November 27, 2019 05:11PM

  Re: And I do not..

21Dog234November 27, 2019 02:10PM

  Funny thing about all this...

JamesJM279November 27, 2019 02:12PM

  Re: People are not in denial, ZN...

Classicalwit235November 28, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams322November 27, 2019 02:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn272November 27, 2019 03:38PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams242November 27, 2019 05:12PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn217November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

dzrams248November 28, 2019 02:16PM

  Re: I've told you this several times...

zn210November 28, 2019 03:21PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

SeattleRam231November 27, 2019 05:04PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams218November 27, 2019 05:19PM

  Re: Yes...

zn225November 27, 2019 05:23PM

  Re: Yes...

SeattleRam228November 27, 2019 08:25PM

  Re: Yes...

dzrams275November 28, 2019 03:09PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure

zn240November 28, 2019 05:40AM

  Some relevant data

rampage666221November 28, 2019 02:46PM

  Re: QB Ratings Under Pressure - Why is this?

David Deacon443November 28, 2019 03:46AM

  Re: Good post...

dzrams193November 28, 2019 02:19PM

  A "top" O line

NewMexicoRam206November 28, 2019 04:44AM

  Re: Agree 100%.........

oldschoolramfan187November 28, 2019 06:37AM

  Good metrics ... one thing I'd mention ...

alyoshamucci254November 28, 2019 07:34AM

  Re: Brilliant question...

dzrams226November 28, 2019 07:10PM

  3 year data comparison and some thoughts.

rampage666194November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Offense has a trio of issues

Drew2839306November 29, 2019 02:03AM

  I get it, he does not do well under pressure but when he has time he is a Super Bowl QB

Los Angeles Lenny658November 29, 2019 08:56AM

  Re: Sure...

dzrams195November 29, 2019 10:12AM

  I totally agree

Los Angeles Lenny281November 29, 2019 11:18AM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

dzrams234November 29, 2019 12:12PM

  who said no one does well under pressure? you're barking up the wrong tree

zn175November 29, 2019 12:55PM

  Re: Doesn't matter what issue YOU were addressing...

dzrams203November 29, 2019 01:38PM

  yes it does

zn194November 29, 2019 01:55PM

  Re: I disagree...

dzrams180November 29, 2019 02:29PM

  Re: I disagree...

zn191November 29, 2019 04:36PM

  Re: I disagree...

george_allen213November 29, 2019 05:31PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams189November 29, 2019 06:02PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666202November 29, 2019 06:08PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

dzrams181November 29, 2019 06:23PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666308November 29, 2019 07:01PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn173November 29, 2019 07:43PM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

rampage666192November 30, 2019 08:36AM

  Re: It's not hyperbole, it's evidence...

zn182November 30, 2019 09:18AM

  that's not evidence my friend it's conjecture

zn198November 29, 2019 06:37PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

dzrams177November 29, 2019 07:12PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

zn301November 29, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Not conjecture b/c my conclusion is supported by evidence....

rampage666168November 29, 2019 07:54PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams182November 29, 2019 08:53PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn174November 29, 2019 10:30PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666203November 30, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn292November 30, 2019 09:27AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

rampage666174November 30, 2019 09:51AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn177November 30, 2019 11:29AM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

dzrams183November 30, 2019 05:13PM

  Re: 1st half vs 2nd half of 2018...

zn189December 01, 2019 03:43AM

  For the record

Drew2839194November 29, 2019 06:20PM

  Re: I got you...

dzrams177November 29, 2019 06:36PM

  Re: Challenging the Myth that No One does well Under Pressure

rampage666207November 29, 2019 02:10PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

dzrams182November 29, 2019 03:29PM

  Re: Couple of questions for you...

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