that's not evidence my friend it's conjecture

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dzrams

Here's why it's not hyperbole. In 2017, Goff did very well with numbers as a top 8-12 QB and he had a top 5 OL.

You only asserted that he HAD a top 5 OL (by some measures), not that he NEEDS one.

It's the difference between this year's initially way out of sync then injured, low ranked OL and 2017's top 5 OL?

That leaves a lot in between.

You assume, to me wrongly, that he can't play with say an average decent effective OL that would be ranked 15th or 16th.

I assume he can.

I assume virtually NO qb plays well behind a bottom rung, broken OL (with a couple of notable exceptions I've named, and they could not keep it up). So singling Goff out in those circumstances to me just doesn't account for what would happen to the (vast) majority of qbs in those circumstances. (And as I already said that situation involves a lot more than pressure. In fact in 2019, Goff has a LOWER sack percentage than he did in 2017 and 2018, and that's with increased pressure. So a lot of things are going on.)

I will even name an example. Kurt in 2004. The Giants OL was a mess that year and it got worse. In his last 4 games before being benched (not counting his brief re-appearance in December) Kurt was sacked 24 times for an unholy sack percentage of 12.3%. In those games, he threw 2 TDs and 3 INTs and had a ton of fumbles.

As for Goff, there are all sorts of rungs in between top 5 and the bottom rung, and I assume Goff would do well with just a decent, solid, relatively healthy OL. You don't but we're both guessing. You, based on one set of assumptions about what Goff is. Me, based on a different set.

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