July 26, 2018 02:56PM
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Saguaro
I wasn't sure how to count the original signing bonus money in the equation. And I'm still not sure.

Yes, it counts against the cap in 2017, but Donald already pocketed that money back when.

So I'm focused on the difference he would have seen on a per year basis by signing vs. not signing.

You're saying that it was an extension that was worth far less than 20M last year, but now I'm the one who is going to have to ask "how do we know that?"

What bits we heard last year was that it was not the money difference, but the number of years.

Anyway, I appreciate the response.

I still think Donald is losing while he thinks he's winning.

I too wrestled with how to account for the signing bonus money. Ultimately I concluded that the cap number was the most accurate way to measure how much a player is paid per year.

A signing bonus is really just an advance on salary.

Consider this example. If my employer pays me an even $10K per month, and next week I ask for and receive a $30K advance to buy a new car with cash, I may have put an actual $40K in my pocket that month, but $30K of that will be subtracted from future months salary. Another way to think about it is, what if he kept that signing bonus money in a bank and paid himself $1.4M per year on an annuity like basis?

When it's all said and done, the average salary - which is the salary cap number - is still correct.

As for how do we know if the extension was worth far less? I have no one piece of direct evidence that says that but I do have a few circumstantial pieces in which to put together the puzzle.

Last year there were no reports that suggested $20M per year. This year there have been several.

Snead also said this year, and I'm paraphrasing as close to what I recall, "when a guy is 2 years away from the end of his contract, giving an extension is a bit trickier than when he's one year away."

I took from that statement that the team is doing a mathematical calculation that is very close to what I demonstrated above with Gurley. They already know the amount it will take to keep a player under their control for 5 years (when 2 years are left on contract.) So the offer goes something like this:

we give you a decent raise (like 15%) + guaranteed money + signing bonus money in exchange for helping us maintain salary cap stability and player cost control.

The last bit of circumstantial evidence is business common sense. Why wouldn't they do that mathematical calculation and offer something a bit better (like 15%) in exchange for salary cap stability and player cost control?

As I demonstrated Gurley signed for a 15% increase over what he would have gotten if they went the franchise tag route. If they offered AD $20M last year, that would have been a 50.3% increase over the amount they could have controlled him for over 5 years. I don't think, from a business perspective, they would have such a wide disparity in the raise they are offering their players, both of whom are mega stars. Why would they do that?

So no, I don't know for sure that the offer was significantly below $20M, but these reasons I've given make it pretty compelling in my mind that it was.
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  Ok, I'm probably reading this wrong. Somebody correct me.

Saguaro739July 26, 2018 11:42AM

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Rampage2K-260July 26, 2018 11:58AM

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David Deacon186July 26, 2018 12:21PM

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zn178July 26, 2018 01:20PM

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Rampage2K-148July 26, 2018 01:39PM

  Going from $19mm/yr to $21mm/yr is a 10.5% raise...

Ramsfsninmd142July 26, 2018 01:44PM

  wrong math

zn165July 26, 2018 02:04PM

  I think you're saying one thing & then using other numbers...

Ramsfsninmd168July 26, 2018 02:17PM

  nope

zn116July 26, 2018 02:27PM

  Re: wrong math

Rampage2K-166July 26, 2018 02:19PM

  Re: wrong math

VANRAM173July 26, 2018 02:40PM

  Re: wrong math

zn111July 26, 2018 02:52PM

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bigjimram21145July 26, 2018 03:50PM

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zn111July 26, 2018 04:04PM

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max196July 26, 2018 12:41PM

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SUretHing252July 26, 2018 12:59PM

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dzrams259July 26, 2018 01:02PM

  Thanks, dz.

Saguaro118July 26, 2018 02:03PM

  Re: Thanks, dz.

dzrams260July 26, 2018 02:56PM

  Re: Thanks, dz.

zn249July 26, 2018 03:13PM

  2 things

AlbaNY_Ram136July 26, 2018 02:03PM

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dzrams123July 26, 2018 03:20PM

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AlbaNY_Ram182July 26, 2018 06:07PM

  Interesting point DZ

Rampage2K-118July 26, 2018 02:09PM

  Re: Interesting point DZ

dzrams86July 26, 2018 07:54PM

  Re: Interesting point DZ

Rams43242July 27, 2018 05:53AM

  Re: Interesting point DZ

Rampage2K-87July 27, 2018 08:28AM

  dz if they did it like this no wonder there were probems

zn111July 26, 2018 02:43PM

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dzrams132July 26, 2018 03:01PM

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zn209July 26, 2018 03:09PM

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dzrams108July 26, 2018 03:25PM

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zn101July 26, 2018 03:27PM

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zn154July 26, 2018 01:04PM

  I keep saying - this aint about the money

RamUK161July 26, 2018 01:40PM

  My opinion differs

Atlantic Ram117July 26, 2018 02:06PM

  Re: I keep saying - this aint about the money

zn202July 26, 2018 02:11PM

  I know and we disagree

RamUK122July 26, 2018 02:47PM

  Re: I know and we disagree

zn167July 26, 2018 02:59PM

  Zack you're spending half you waking life

RamUK124July 26, 2018 03:12PM

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zn138July 26, 2018 03:17PM

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Rams43115July 26, 2018 05:44PM

  If that were the case

RamUK116July 26, 2018 02:51PM

  Re: If that were the case

zn142July 26, 2018 03:20PM

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Ramsdude135July 26, 2018 02:26PM

  what would Merlin Olsen or Jack Youngblood have cost?

LMU93128July 26, 2018 03:48PM

  Re: what would Merlin Olsen or Jack Youngblood have cost?

zn149July 26, 2018 04:16PM

  They would have never held out. Nm

Speedball89148July 26, 2018 08:18PM