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Re: dz if they did it like this no wonder there were probems

July 26, 2018 03:25PM
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I doubt the offer was anywhere close to $20M. When teams offer early extensions, they're not giving gigantic raises over the amount they could control the player than if the player played out their contract plus the franchise years. Gurley is a perfect example. The Rams could have controlled him for the next 4 years - '18 - '19 contract plus 2 franchise tag years - at an average of $10.18M per year. ($4.398285M '18 salary, $9.63M '19, $11.866M '20 tag, $14.833M '21 tag)

First yes teams do offer substantial increases in relation to the 1st rounders who re-negotiated in their third years. Watt went from an average of 2.8 a year in 2011 to 16.6 M in 2014. Kuechly .went from 4.7 M in 2012 to 12.3+ M in 2015. Do all the others and the results are similar.

Second no on negotiating these 3rd year for 1st rounders deals the market still counts. So the Rams (and Donald) would still have to factor in the Von Miller 19M/2016 deal for best defensive player. A 1 M increase over that in 2017 would have been substantially under value. It should actually have been more like 22=3 M in 2017. Now it's higher because it's yet another year, and now 21 M is under value.

So if they were offering nothing like 20 M in 2017, then, that's why there was no signing.

I think you're making the case that his agent would make - and one that I've made here many times - but the Rams are under no obligations to start there as a baseline.

Snead's words to me were telling. I essentially heard "we didn't offer that much last year." Any early extension after 3 years was gonna have to be a good deal for them.

"No obligation" is too slippery a term for me. I am under no obligation to not be an idiot when I tip in a restaurant but that doesn't mean I can justify leaving a dollar tip on a 30 dollar tab when I know full well the service was good.

Under the absolutely simple rule that you do not start out by seriously shortchanging a player you want to keep, the team also pays attention to market value, and if it doesn't, you end up with the same kind of situation they had when they offered Jenkins 9 M in a year when the market said he could get 12 M.

That's just not a good approach and if the Rams did that with Donald in 2017, then, they approached this in a seriously wrongheaded way.

So much so that I honestly doubt they would have done that.


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I am not operating under the assumption that they've changed their approach in how they deal with players from how they dealt with Jenkins.
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  Ok, I'm probably reading this wrong. Somebody correct me.

Saguaro736July 26, 2018 11:42AM

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zn177July 26, 2018 01:20PM

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Rampage2K-146July 26, 2018 01:39PM

  Going from $19mm/yr to $21mm/yr is a 10.5% raise...

Ramsfsninmd140July 26, 2018 01:44PM

  wrong math

zn163July 26, 2018 02:04PM

  I think you're saying one thing & then using other numbers...

Ramsfsninmd167July 26, 2018 02:17PM

  nope

zn114July 26, 2018 02:27PM

  Re: wrong math

Rampage2K-165July 26, 2018 02:19PM

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VANRAM171July 26, 2018 02:40PM

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zn110July 26, 2018 02:52PM

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dzrams256July 26, 2018 01:02PM

  Thanks, dz.

Saguaro116July 26, 2018 02:03PM

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dzrams258July 26, 2018 02:56PM

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zn248July 26, 2018 03:13PM

  2 things

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AlbaNY_Ram181July 26, 2018 06:07PM

  Interesting point DZ

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  dz if they did it like this no wonder there were probems

zn110July 26, 2018 02:43PM

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dzrams131July 26, 2018 03:01PM

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dzrams106July 26, 2018 03:25PM

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zn100July 26, 2018 03:27PM

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zn152July 26, 2018 01:04PM

  I keep saying - this aint about the money

RamUK160July 26, 2018 01:40PM

  My opinion differs

Atlantic Ram116July 26, 2018 02:06PM

  Re: I keep saying - this aint about the money

zn198July 26, 2018 02:11PM

  I know and we disagree

RamUK121July 26, 2018 02:47PM

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zn166July 26, 2018 02:59PM

  Zack you're spending half you waking life

RamUK122July 26, 2018 03:12PM

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zn137July 26, 2018 03:17PM

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Rams43114July 26, 2018 05:44PM

  If that were the case

RamUK115July 26, 2018 02:51PM

  Re: If that were the case

zn140July 26, 2018 03:20PM

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Ramsdude133July 26, 2018 02:26PM

  what would Merlin Olsen or Jack Youngblood have cost?

LMU93127July 26, 2018 03:48PM

  Re: what would Merlin Olsen or Jack Youngblood have cost?

zn147July 26, 2018 04:16PM

  They would have never held out. Nm

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