July 25, 2018 07:05PM
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For those that are saying that the Rams need to give I say they are giving too much.

If true, the Rams are giving him an early contract, only 4 years instead of 5 AND 21 million bucks. They don't have to give any of that.

21 million destroys the past market. Under any market it's a reset. He is making, what 9 million? That is an additional 12 in his pocket. They are fronting him his signing bonus instead of making him wait for it. They are forgoing their bargained right to tag the man for three years and letting him walk without ever getting bonus money.

He has the balls to tell the Rams to rip up the contract that the players collectively bargained for and demanding 25? What else is he going to do for the next 4 years? If he doesn't like it go put on a suit or swing a hammer like the rest of America.

The new CBA provides 1st round picks the opportunity to re-negotiate after year 3 of their rookie deals. That's all Donald did. Several have already done it and in I think every case the player in question got paid at the top of his position that year. So strictly speaking it's not an early contract since league rules set up the possibility. So he did not tell anyone to rip anything up, he said by right I can renegotiate after year 3, just like several others already have.

21 M is low-end for a normal increase from the 19 M Von Miller got 3 contract years ago in 2016. The type of contract being a 2nd contract (which is usually the big cash-in contract), and the category being top defensive player in the league.

21 M would be an increase of just over 10% across 3 years, which is WAY below the rate of increase at other positions. In 2017 WRs were signing for 14+ M. This year it was 16 M (which is what both Watkins and Cooks got). Another comparison: qb. Carr signed for 25 M in 2017, Cousins for 28 M in 2018. That's an increase of 12% in one year. If contracts are going up around 12-14% a year (more or less), then Von Miller's 19 M in 2016 is now worth anywhere from 24 to 25 M or more.

I doubt Mack will sign for as low as 21 M either.


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He is under contract. They did not renegotiate a new contract. He can't opt out. Im sure the two sides negotiated. Nothing happened. Same story.

I'm sure the Rams would have loved to rip up his contract last year and sign him long term. I'm sure they would have loved to pay him Fletcher Cox money plus a couple million. It's so painfully obvious that he wanted and wants to wait until 2019 or at least be paid now like it is. Why hold out? Take the 21 million or get to work and play the real negotiation game when his contract is up.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Donald numbers leaked....

max2323July 25, 2018 11:40AM

  Well

Speedball89445July 25, 2018 11:45AM

  What?

jemach732July 25, 2018 12:51PM

  21 million sounds right on the money (nm)

Ram_Ruler306July 25, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: What?

Speedball89323July 25, 2018 02:28PM

  Re: Just like American Pickers.......

oldschoolramfan262July 26, 2018 07:03AM

  negotiation

zn881July 25, 2018 11:55AM

  I'm not a negotiator, but I don't think halfway is automatic.

Saguaro326July 25, 2018 02:11PM

  well but

zn296July 25, 2018 02:27PM

  Wrong. That is not how high powered negotiations work

RockRam313July 25, 2018 02:34PM

  Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

RamUK268July 26, 2018 03:33AM

  Re: Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

Rampage2K-265July 26, 2018 09:47AM

  Re: Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

Rams43315July 26, 2018 09:50AM

  Re: totally believable

Speed_Kills392July 25, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: totally believable

zn429July 25, 2018 11:59AM

  Re: totally believable

BarryRams385July 25, 2018 12:08PM

  that's not quite true

zn402July 25, 2018 12:18PM

  Re: that's not quite true

BarryRams359July 25, 2018 12:21PM

  well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

zn290July 25, 2018 12:40PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

Rampage2K-302July 25, 2018 12:49PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

k3330July 25, 2018 01:02PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

BarryRams289July 25, 2018 01:57PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

BarryRams252July 25, 2018 01:53PM

  yes on contracts

zn361July 25, 2018 04:15PM

  He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

jemach283July 25, 2018 12:55PM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

Rampage2K-321July 25, 2018 01:05PM

  I see...

jemach329July 25, 2018 01:09PM

  Re: I see...

Rampage2K-698July 25, 2018 01:15PM

  Yes...

jemach505July 25, 2018 01:21PM

  Re: I see...

Ramrooter252July 25, 2018 03:04PM

  And...he comes to camp...

jemach280July 25, 2018 04:40PM

  Re: I see...

Ekern55259July 25, 2018 04:26PM

  Re: I see... $10.00

chico n da rams253July 25, 2018 03:07PM

  "all the risk is on the players".... disagree...

RAMbler302July 26, 2018 10:43AM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

EastRam398July 25, 2018 01:15PM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

Rampage2K-833July 25, 2018 01:25PM

  The current top QB money is higher...

jemach242July 25, 2018 01:28PM

  stop......Donald is not equal to top QB in NFL

ferragamo79246July 25, 2018 04:30PM

  there's confusion about this

zn270July 25, 2018 04:42PM

  And he won't get $30,000,000

jemach226July 26, 2018 04:10AM

  who has a bigger impact on the team

ferragamo79266July 26, 2018 08:43AM

  Re: who has a bigger impact on the team

zn326July 26, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: who has a bigger impact on the team

Rams43271July 26, 2018 09:47AM

  I'd like to see that study

CeeZar448July 26, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: I'd like to see that study

Rampage2K-451July 26, 2018 10:31AM

  Re: totally believable

RFIP235July 26, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: it’s really about the guaranteed money though right?

Speed_Kills320July 26, 2018 05:50AM

  Re: but what?

dzrams606July 26, 2018 10:51AM

  Re: what is your line in the sand offer? nm

Speed_Kills285July 26, 2018 10:54AM

  Re: I've been consistent at about $23-24M... nm

dzrams259July 26, 2018 10:56AM

  Re what’s your guaranteed number? Nm

Speed_Kills264July 26, 2018 11:55AM

  Re: $80M range... Nm

dzrams653July 26, 2018 01:34PM

  Agree

max267July 25, 2018 12:08PM

  Re: Agree

Ramsdude269July 25, 2018 12:13PM

  Re: Agree

max286July 25, 2018 12:16PM

  Re: totally believable

DamRam393July 25, 2018 02:29PM

  Re: totally believable

Ramsdude240July 25, 2018 02:36PM

  10% Higher than highest defensive contract ever

David Deacon385July 26, 2018 12:13PM

  Re: 10% Higher than highest defensive contract ever

Ramsdude276July 26, 2018 12:24PM

  Geller corrects TST

max436July 25, 2018 12:01PM

  Re: Geller corrects TST

bigjimram21246July 26, 2018 03:24AM

  Quite possible

CeeZar236July 26, 2018 03:41AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

Ramsdude575July 25, 2018 12:10PM

  article.

zn380July 25, 2018 12:10PM

  Just about what I predicted weeks ago...Donald should have worked on his jump shot

Rampage2K-360July 25, 2018 12:16PM

  How about we call it $22.5 per and shake hands?

DaJudge365July 25, 2018 12:27PM

  Re: How about we call it $22.5 per and shake hands?

Ramsdude312July 25, 2018 12:32PM

  I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

zn408July 25, 2018 12:50PM

  Re: I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

BarryRams778July 25, 2018 01:58PM

  Non-exclusive franchise tag:

SunTzu_vs_Camus236July 26, 2018 03:48AM

  Re: I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

bigjimram21230July 26, 2018 03:33AM

  $22M is my ceiling......

Rampage2K-250July 25, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: $22M is my ceiling......

jemach424July 25, 2018 12:57PM

  1 million means plenty to the rams

Ram_Ruler992July 25, 2018 01:41PM

  they're not going to do all of those and no good team does everyone

zn303July 25, 2018 01:53PM

  I agree that they won't get all of them

Ram_Ruler296July 25, 2018 02:07PM

  Re: Top Heavy...

dzrams249July 25, 2018 10:30PM

  Joyner is a goner...and if he did show up out of shape...

jemach520July 25, 2018 04:43PM

  there's nothing out there saying he showed up out of shape

zn245July 25, 2018 04:55PM

  Re: $22M is my ceiling......

DamRam251July 25, 2018 02:55PM

  This is good news.

stlramz411July 25, 2018 01:09PM

  I think deal gets done...

jemach324July 25, 2018 01:11PM

  How does 8/7 actually affect anything in reality

Atlantic Ram423July 25, 2018 01:36PM

  Anyone?

Atlantic Ram259July 25, 2018 06:07PM

  Re: Anyone?

zn387July 25, 2018 06:58PM

  Thanks!

Atlantic Ram285July 25, 2018 08:19PM

  Re: This is good news.

bigjimram21222July 26, 2018 04:23PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

no name350July 25, 2018 02:54PM

  it's not an "early contract"..

zn269July 25, 2018 03:31PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name238July 25, 2018 07:05PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name238July 25, 2018 07:15PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

zn262July 25, 2018 08:14PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name661July 26, 2018 04:32AM

  Donald will set one record for sure

max295July 25, 2018 04:50PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn252July 25, 2018 05:05PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram330July 25, 2018 05:41PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn464July 25, 2018 05:55PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram374July 25, 2018 06:04PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn241July 25, 2018 06:16PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram392July 25, 2018 07:24PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn495July 25, 2018 07:32PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

AlbaNY_Ram300July 25, 2018 05:12PM

  Thx for data supporting my point.

max253July 25, 2018 05:23PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn311July 25, 2018 05:31PM

  sounds like Donald to Pittsburgh for what ever they feel like giving up..nm

VANRAM233July 25, 2018 05:37PM

  Re: Joe Curley vouches for him

Speedball89405July 25, 2018 05:55PM

  yup, apparently Rams leaked it

max287July 25, 2018 07:30PM

  Re: yup, apparently Rams leaked it

Rams43258July 25, 2018 07:52PM

  Re: yup, apparently Rams leaked it

max252July 25, 2018 08:14PM

  the simple fact is 25 M is just not unreasonable

zn237July 26, 2018 04:24AM

  that’s not fact, it’s opinion.

max245July 26, 2018 04:49AM

  "reasonable/unreasonable" are obviously opinions

zn228July 26, 2018 05:02AM

  Re: "reasonable/unreasonable" are obviously opinions

max360July 26, 2018 05:36AM

  you're misreading

zn289July 26, 2018 11:10AM

  Re: I suspect someone knows....

dzrams235July 26, 2018 10:22AM

  I still say.....

NewMexicoRam298July 25, 2018 05:56PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

3030345July 25, 2018 06:04PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

CeeZar269July 26, 2018 07:24AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

Speedball89313July 26, 2018 08:49AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

3030544July 26, 2018 05:06PM

  More from Geller...

max384July 26, 2018 06:51AM

  Re: More from Geller... The Donald hype continues:

Anonymous User303July 26, 2018 06:06PM