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Re: Donald will set one record for sure

July 25, 2018 05:55PM
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He will have the lowest jersey sales per dollar salary in the history of the NFL by a wide margin.

Usually when you get a guy making record breaking salary numbers he’s also a marketing draw as well. Not Donald.

I remember when Faulk held out of camp in 99 while the Rams completed his new contract. There was a lot of dumping on the player then, too. People questioned his character and even his talent. Not all of us fall for that stuff though.

Here's what's actually happening in this case.

2nd contracts go up. Last year WR was around 14 M, this year it was around 16 M. In 2017 Carr signed for 25 M, in 2108 Cousins signed for 28 M. That's around 12-14% a year.

Donald's category is best defensive player, set by Von Miller in 2016 at 19 M. 21 M in 2018 would be a 10% increase across 3 years.

What has people thinking that this would be the only position that sees a 10% increase in 3 years? The increase if normal ought to take the amount to AT LEAST 24 M or so.

Yet people are convinced for some reason that this is this huge, big offer...and it doesn't even keep pace with something like Cousins getting more than Wilson because of the years they each came up?

I've seen it so many times before I am actually kind of thick skinned about it. The player's "demands" are perfectly reasonable, but some fans act instead like he slapped their grandparents around with a dead racoon.

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ZN, so when comparing salary increases by position, why do you discuss % increases and provide figures for QB/QB and WR/WR, but when discussing Donald you mention 3-4 OLB like Von Miller.

Last time I checked Donald is a DT, and the highest paid DT is Fletcher Cox earning $17.9MM in 2018. If Donald was offered $21MM in 2018 that increase is north of 17%.

I also think you can't compare skill positions like WR and QB to DT.

In today's game DT are not as valuable as skill position players.

Centers in todays NBA don't make and shouldn't make the same money as Wings like LeBron, Harden, Steph etc.

My position is that $21MM would be a fair offer based on his position. If you factor in the fact that he is a genrational player maybe he deserves a bump yo $22-23M, but to be asking for $25M+, $6-7M more than the highest paid DT in the NFL is greed.

Because, and the Rams back this, his category is not DT. As I directly said his category is top defender in the league. That is how the Rams talk about paying him. If you don't like him being measured as a top DEFENDER in the league then take that up with the Rams because they made it clear all along that's how they were talking about him and how they were defining the deal.

The DT group is not in his class and those are older deals (2016 and 2017). In fact there hasn't been an elite DT of AD's class in the league since Sapp retired in 2007.

So the market for top defender is set by Von Miller at 19 M 3 contract years ago in 2016.

A similar logic was used with Gurley, where the top contract (not tag) at RB is 8 M. The argument is, Gurley is more than a back and should be paid as more than a back. He's an elite, 230 lb runner and receiver. That is the logic behind giving him nearly 7 M more than the nearest RB contract. Did you object to Gurley's contract? Because it's the exact same kind of thing.

So...it's similar thing with AD. His deal is not for a DT classed with other DTs, it's as the top defender in the league, and that is something which I have consistently (and very openly) stressed all along, going back a long time.

Do the math on that. There is no other position that just goes up 10% across 3 years. It's more like 12-14% annually. Given that you measure it against Von MIller and the increase ought to be to AT LEAST 24/25 M.





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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/25/2018 06:02PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Donald numbers leaked....

max2316July 25, 2018 11:40AM

  Well

Speedball89443July 25, 2018 11:45AM

  What?

jemach731July 25, 2018 12:51PM

  21 million sounds right on the money (nm)

Ram_Ruler305July 25, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: What?

Speedball89320July 25, 2018 02:28PM

  Re: Just like American Pickers.......

oldschoolramfan260July 26, 2018 07:03AM

  negotiation

zn879July 25, 2018 11:55AM

  I'm not a negotiator, but I don't think halfway is automatic.

Saguaro325July 25, 2018 02:11PM

  well but

zn295July 25, 2018 02:27PM

  Wrong. That is not how high powered negotiations work

RockRam312July 25, 2018 02:34PM

  Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

RamUK266July 26, 2018 03:33AM

  Re: Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

Rampage2K-262July 26, 2018 09:47AM

  Re: Gotta agree on the highest paid in history nonsense

Rams43313July 26, 2018 09:50AM

  Re: totally believable

Speed_Kills389July 25, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: totally believable

zn425July 25, 2018 11:59AM

  Re: totally believable

BarryRams383July 25, 2018 12:08PM

  that's not quite true

zn401July 25, 2018 12:18PM

  Re: that's not quite true

BarryRams359July 25, 2018 12:21PM

  well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

zn289July 25, 2018 12:40PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

Rampage2K-298July 25, 2018 12:49PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

k3328July 25, 2018 01:02PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

BarryRams288July 25, 2018 01:57PM

  Re: well that wasn't true of the other players who did this

BarryRams249July 25, 2018 01:53PM

  yes on contracts

zn357July 25, 2018 04:15PM

  He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

jemach281July 25, 2018 12:55PM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

Rampage2K-319July 25, 2018 01:05PM

  I see...

jemach326July 25, 2018 01:09PM

  Re: I see...

Rampage2K-697July 25, 2018 01:15PM

  Yes...

jemach504July 25, 2018 01:21PM

  Re: I see...

Ramrooter249July 25, 2018 03:04PM

  And...he comes to camp...

jemach279July 25, 2018 04:40PM

  Re: I see...

Ekern55257July 25, 2018 04:26PM

  Re: I see... $10.00

chico n da rams251July 25, 2018 03:07PM

  "all the risk is on the players".... disagree...

RAMbler295July 26, 2018 10:43AM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

EastRam395July 25, 2018 01:15PM

  Re: He's given the Rams 4 Pro Bowl performances...

Rampage2K-829July 25, 2018 01:25PM

  The current top QB money is higher...

jemach237July 25, 2018 01:28PM

  stop......Donald is not equal to top QB in NFL

ferragamo79244July 25, 2018 04:30PM

  there's confusion about this

zn268July 25, 2018 04:42PM

  And he won't get $30,000,000

jemach224July 26, 2018 04:10AM

  who has a bigger impact on the team

ferragamo79264July 26, 2018 08:43AM

  Re: who has a bigger impact on the team

zn320July 26, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: who has a bigger impact on the team

Rams43268July 26, 2018 09:47AM

  I'd like to see that study

CeeZar447July 26, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: I'd like to see that study

Rampage2K-450July 26, 2018 10:31AM

  Re: totally believable

RFIP234July 26, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: it’s really about the guaranteed money though right?

Speed_Kills317July 26, 2018 05:50AM

  Re: but what?

dzrams602July 26, 2018 10:51AM

  Re: what is your line in the sand offer? nm

Speed_Kills285July 26, 2018 10:54AM

  Re: I've been consistent at about $23-24M... nm

dzrams258July 26, 2018 10:56AM

  Re what’s your guaranteed number? Nm

Speed_Kills260July 26, 2018 11:55AM

  Re: $80M range... Nm

dzrams650July 26, 2018 01:34PM

  Agree

max265July 25, 2018 12:08PM

  Re: Agree

Ramsdude268July 25, 2018 12:13PM

  Re: Agree

max282July 25, 2018 12:16PM

  Re: totally believable

DamRam391July 25, 2018 02:29PM

  Re: totally believable

Ramsdude239July 25, 2018 02:36PM

  10% Higher than highest defensive contract ever

David Deacon381July 26, 2018 12:13PM

  Re: 10% Higher than highest defensive contract ever

Ramsdude276July 26, 2018 12:24PM

  Geller corrects TST

max436July 25, 2018 12:01PM

  Re: Geller corrects TST

bigjimram21245July 26, 2018 03:24AM

  Quite possible

CeeZar235July 26, 2018 03:41AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

Ramsdude571July 25, 2018 12:10PM

  article.

zn378July 25, 2018 12:10PM

  Just about what I predicted weeks ago...Donald should have worked on his jump shot

Rampage2K-357July 25, 2018 12:16PM

  How about we call it $22.5 per and shake hands?

DaJudge363July 25, 2018 12:27PM

  Re: How about we call it $22.5 per and shake hands?

Ramsdude311July 25, 2018 12:32PM

  I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

zn405July 25, 2018 12:50PM

  Re: I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

BarryRams777July 25, 2018 01:58PM

  Non-exclusive franchise tag:

SunTzu_vs_Camus234July 26, 2018 03:48AM

  Re: I think it's more 23/24 with 80 M guaranteed

bigjimram21229July 26, 2018 03:33AM

  $22M is my ceiling......

Rampage2K-249July 25, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: $22M is my ceiling......

jemach423July 25, 2018 12:57PM

  1 million means plenty to the rams

Ram_Ruler990July 25, 2018 01:41PM

  they're not going to do all of those and no good team does everyone

zn302July 25, 2018 01:53PM

  I agree that they won't get all of them

Ram_Ruler291July 25, 2018 02:07PM

  Re: Top Heavy...

dzrams247July 25, 2018 10:30PM

  Joyner is a goner...and if he did show up out of shape...

jemach519July 25, 2018 04:43PM

  there's nothing out there saying he showed up out of shape

zn244July 25, 2018 04:55PM

  Re: $22M is my ceiling......

DamRam250July 25, 2018 02:55PM

  This is good news.

stlramz409July 25, 2018 01:09PM

  I think deal gets done...

jemach321July 25, 2018 01:11PM

  How does 8/7 actually affect anything in reality

Atlantic Ram422July 25, 2018 01:36PM

  Anyone?

Atlantic Ram258July 25, 2018 06:07PM

  Re: Anyone?

zn386July 25, 2018 06:58PM

  Thanks!

Atlantic Ram282July 25, 2018 08:19PM

  Re: This is good news.

bigjimram21219July 26, 2018 04:23PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

no name348July 25, 2018 02:54PM

  it's not an "early contract"..

zn265July 25, 2018 03:31PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name236July 25, 2018 07:05PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name235July 25, 2018 07:15PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

zn261July 25, 2018 08:14PM

  Re: it's not an "early contract"..

no name659July 26, 2018 04:32AM

  Donald will set one record for sure

max293July 25, 2018 04:50PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn248July 25, 2018 05:05PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram328July 25, 2018 05:41PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn461July 25, 2018 05:55PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram368July 25, 2018 06:04PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn240July 25, 2018 06:16PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

Hollywood Ram390July 25, 2018 07:24PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn492July 25, 2018 07:32PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

AlbaNY_Ram297July 25, 2018 05:12PM

  Thx for data supporting my point.

max251July 25, 2018 05:23PM

  Re: Donald will set one record for sure

zn306July 25, 2018 05:31PM

  sounds like Donald to Pittsburgh for what ever they feel like giving up..nm

VANRAM230July 25, 2018 05:37PM

  Re: Joe Curley vouches for him

Speedball89401July 25, 2018 05:55PM

  yup, apparently Rams leaked it

max285July 25, 2018 07:30PM

  Re: yup, apparently Rams leaked it

Rams43256July 25, 2018 07:52PM

  Re: yup, apparently Rams leaked it

max249July 25, 2018 08:14PM

  the simple fact is 25 M is just not unreasonable

zn236July 26, 2018 04:24AM

  that’s not fact, it’s opinion.

max244July 26, 2018 04:49AM

  "reasonable/unreasonable" are obviously opinions

zn225July 26, 2018 05:02AM

  Re: "reasonable/unreasonable" are obviously opinions

max359July 26, 2018 05:36AM

  you're misreading

zn286July 26, 2018 11:10AM

  Re: I suspect someone knows....

dzrams234July 26, 2018 10:22AM

  I still say.....

NewMexicoRam293July 25, 2018 05:56PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

3030344July 25, 2018 06:04PM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

CeeZar264July 26, 2018 07:24AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

Speedball89311July 26, 2018 08:49AM

  Re: Donald numbers leaked....

3030540July 26, 2018 05:06PM

  More from Geller...

max384July 26, 2018 06:51AM

  Re: More from Geller... The Donald hype continues:

Anonymous User300July 26, 2018 06:06PM