April 07, 2018 04:20AM
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Ramsdude
Found this post on another board from a guy who found it on another board lol. I thought it was interesting and worth sharing. I take no credit or blame...

Here are the last 14 years worth of picks at the #23 spot in the NFL draft - gives a lot of perspective on trading the pick for Brandin Cooks

2017 – Evan Engram . WR NYG : One of best; 64 rec.722 yards; 6 TDs
2016 – Laquon Treadwell . WR . MN -- 21 Rec 215 yards in 2 yrs; not good
2015 – Shane Ray . DE Denver - 3 wrist surgeries - not much
2014 – Dee Ford . DE . KC - undistinguished career - most backup
2013 Sharrif Floyd DT - 9 sack - nerve damage to knee
2012 Riley Reiff OT several teams - middle of pack LT's last yr with MN
2011 Danny Watkins OG . Philadelphia - never played more than a few games
2010 Bryan Bulaga OT Green Bay - up and down - oft-injured
2009 Michael Oher OT Balt. - concussions ended career early '16; 2 good yrs
2008 R. Mendenhall RB 6 yrs; 3 ~ 1000 yds but 4 yd avg best - 3 not good
2007 Dwayne Bowe WR KC Chiefs - very good
2006 Davin Joseph . G . Tampa Bay - good career with Bucs - 2 Pro Bowls
2005 Fabian Washington CB Oakland - 6 yrs - so-so career
2004 Marcus Tubbs DT Seattle - very few games and washed out

I don't think just looking at 23 covers it.

Different teams rank different players differently. There's no rigid slotting of players nor could there ever be such a thing.

So if you want to see what was done with pick 23, you have to ask, who else was available at that pick. If you do the first round that's picks 23-31. If you want to be genuinely realistic I would go 10 picks into the 2nd round too.

So looking at just 2012 for example, Using the criteria I just described, who was available at 23 in 2012? It's not just Rieff. It also includes (to be selective) guys like DeCastro, Hightower, Zeitler, Harrison Smith, Derek Wolfe, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cordy Glenn.

As in--a good drafting team can get a good player at 23. There's more than just one guy, and no one is mysteriously somehow slotted to be pick 23.

I defend the Cooks trade, but this is not a good approach to that. I am not going to defend it by acting as if there were always only going to be one guy slotted for pick 23 every year.


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  Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude816April 07, 2018 04:10AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn351April 07, 2018 04:20AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude327April 07, 2018 04:29AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn286April 07, 2018 04:42AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude251April 07, 2018 05:01AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

SoCalRAMatic224April 07, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn232April 07, 2018 05:29AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

73Ram307April 07, 2018 05:34AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn233April 07, 2018 05:57AM

  I should have been clearer.....

73Ram233April 07, 2018 06:50AM

  Re: I should have been clearer.....

zn374April 07, 2018 07:46AM

  Arggggg...proof reading is a weaknees of mine!

73Ram467April 07, 2018 07:50AM

  Re: Arggggg...proof reading is a weaknees of mine!

zn309April 07, 2018 07:52AM

  Thanks for understanding my point....nm

73Ram208April 07, 2018 07:53AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

hammer235April 07, 2018 10:03AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

Rampage2K-209April 07, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

zn225April 07, 2018 10:54AM

  I'm wrong

zn238April 07, 2018 12:12PM

  Re: I like the trade too

hammer541April 07, 2018 01:09PM

  So, okay, I can go along with your correction

NewMexicoRam244April 07, 2018 01:27PM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude224April 07, 2018 07:50AM

  I agree with ZN...

jemach222April 07, 2018 12:28PM

  Re: I agree with ZN...

Ramsdude211April 07, 2018 01:50PM

  Ok...

jemach214April 07, 2018 01:54PM

  Re: Ok...

Ramsdude219April 07, 2018 02:01PM

  Re: I agree with ZN...

zn352April 07, 2018 02:49PM

  I think it offers excellent perspective.

Saguaro223April 07, 2018 11:06AM

  Re: I think it offers excellent perspective.

zn204April 07, 2018 11:52AM

  Well, then you must have missed a couple of days here right after the trade, lol.

Saguaro276April 07, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: Well, then you must have missed a couple of days here right after the trade, lol.

zn230April 07, 2018 12:00PM

  Whoops, I meant to just reply an agreement. Fixed.

Saguaro226April 07, 2018 12:03PM

  I agree that most would agree....

SunTzu_vs_Camus264April 08, 2018 05:43AM

  If you are looking at the trade in the context of...

jemach231April 07, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: If you are looking at the trade in the context of...

Rampage2K-290April 07, 2018 01:55PM

  I'll give you Chandler...

jemach213April 07, 2018 02:12PM

  Re: How about

hammer218April 07, 2018 02:25PM

  Yes, I think it's true, we need more resolution. Edited.

Saguaro244April 07, 2018 02:44PM

  Re: Yes, I think it's true, we need more resolution.

zn230April 07, 2018 02:57PM

  Sorry to say, but...

NewMexicoRam234April 07, 2018 06:08AM

  The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

max270April 07, 2018 04:58AM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

Ramsdude238April 07, 2018 05:04AM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

max380April 07, 2018 05:37AM

  Then why did McCay try to resign Watkins?

jemach217April 07, 2018 12:20PM

  Re: Did the Rams make an offer?

hammer556April 07, 2018 01:02PM

  Re: Did the Rams make an offer?

Ramsdude321April 07, 2018 01:44PM

  I think there was enough talk...

jemach356April 07, 2018 01:57PM

  Re: I think there was enough talk...

Ramsdude211April 07, 2018 02:07PM

  Not to nit pick...

jemach175April 08, 2018 05:19AM

  Re: Not to nit pick...

Ramsdude189April 08, 2018 05:28AM

  I cannot speak for last year...

jemach198April 08, 2018 05:35AM

  Re: I cannot speak for last year...

Ramsdude206April 08, 2018 05:39AM

  I would be thrilled if it happens this way...

jemach204April 08, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: Plenty of reports of an offer

dzrams561April 07, 2018 02:56PM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

Steve232April 07, 2018 05:53AM

  Watkins is sunk cost

Rams_81383April 07, 2018 02:05PM

  So 15 out of 15

Rams_81426April 07, 2018 05:45AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramboni277April 07, 2018 04:33PM