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Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

April 07, 2018 04:20AM
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Ramsdude
Found this post on another board from a guy who found it on another board lol. I thought it was interesting and worth sharing. I take no credit or blame...

Here are the last 14 years worth of picks at the #23 spot in the NFL draft - gives a lot of perspective on trading the pick for Brandin Cooks

2017 – Evan Engram . WR NYG : One of best; 64 rec.722 yards; 6 TDs
2016 – Laquon Treadwell . WR . MN -- 21 Rec 215 yards in 2 yrs; not good
2015 – Shane Ray . DE Denver - 3 wrist surgeries - not much
2014 – Dee Ford . DE . KC - undistinguished career - most backup
2013 Sharrif Floyd DT - 9 sack - nerve damage to knee
2012 Riley Reiff OT several teams - middle of pack LT's last yr with MN
2011 Danny Watkins OG . Philadelphia - never played more than a few games
2010 Bryan Bulaga OT Green Bay - up and down - oft-injured
2009 Michael Oher OT Balt. - concussions ended career early '16; 2 good yrs
2008 R. Mendenhall RB 6 yrs; 3 ~ 1000 yds but 4 yd avg best - 3 not good
2007 Dwayne Bowe WR KC Chiefs - very good
2006 Davin Joseph . G . Tampa Bay - good career with Bucs - 2 Pro Bowls
2005 Fabian Washington CB Oakland - 6 yrs - so-so career
2004 Marcus Tubbs DT Seattle - very few games and washed out

I don't think just looking at 23 covers it.

Different teams rank different players differently. There's no rigid slotting of players nor could there ever be such a thing.

So if you want to see what was done with pick 23, you have to ask, who else was available at that pick. If you do the first round that's picks 23-31. If you want to be genuinely realistic I would go 10 picks into the 2nd round too.

So looking at just 2012 for example, Using the criteria I just described, who was available at 23 in 2012? It's not just Rieff. It also includes (to be selective) guys like DeCastro, Hightower, Zeitler, Harrison Smith, Derek Wolfe, Mitchell Schwartz, and Cordy Glenn.

As in--a good drafting team can get a good player at 23. There's more than just one guy, and no one is mysteriously somehow slotted to be pick 23.

I defend the Cooks trade, but this is not a good approach to that. I am not going to defend it by acting as if there were always only going to be one guy slotted for pick 23 every year.


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  Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude812April 07, 2018 04:10AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn347April 07, 2018 04:20AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude324April 07, 2018 04:29AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn283April 07, 2018 04:42AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude248April 07, 2018 05:01AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

SoCalRAMatic220April 07, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn229April 07, 2018 05:29AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

73Ram303April 07, 2018 05:34AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

zn228April 07, 2018 05:57AM

  I should have been clearer.....

73Ram230April 07, 2018 06:50AM

  Re: I should have been clearer.....

zn369April 07, 2018 07:46AM

  Arggggg...proof reading is a weaknees of mine!

73Ram464April 07, 2018 07:50AM

  Re: Arggggg...proof reading is a weaknees of mine!

zn306April 07, 2018 07:52AM

  Thanks for understanding my point....nm

73Ram204April 07, 2018 07:53AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

hammer232April 07, 2018 10:03AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

Rampage2K-204April 07, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: ASSUMING - History of #23 Pick

zn222April 07, 2018 10:54AM

  I'm wrong

zn235April 07, 2018 12:12PM

  Re: I like the trade too

hammer538April 07, 2018 01:09PM

  So, okay, I can go along with your correction

NewMexicoRam242April 07, 2018 01:27PM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramsdude221April 07, 2018 07:50AM

  I agree with ZN...

jemach217April 07, 2018 12:28PM

  Re: I agree with ZN...

Ramsdude207April 07, 2018 01:50PM

  Ok...

jemach210April 07, 2018 01:54PM

  Re: Ok...

Ramsdude216April 07, 2018 02:01PM

  Re: I agree with ZN...

zn349April 07, 2018 02:49PM

  I think it offers excellent perspective.

Saguaro220April 07, 2018 11:06AM

  Re: I think it offers excellent perspective.

zn201April 07, 2018 11:52AM

  Well, then you must have missed a couple of days here right after the trade, lol.

Saguaro272April 07, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: Well, then you must have missed a couple of days here right after the trade, lol.

zn228April 07, 2018 12:00PM

  Whoops, I meant to just reply an agreement. Fixed.

Saguaro223April 07, 2018 12:03PM

  I agree that most would agree....

SunTzu_vs_Camus260April 08, 2018 05:43AM

  If you are looking at the trade in the context of...

jemach228April 07, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: If you are looking at the trade in the context of...

Rampage2K-286April 07, 2018 01:55PM

  I'll give you Chandler...

jemach211April 07, 2018 02:12PM

  Re: How about

hammer215April 07, 2018 02:25PM

  Yes, I think it's true, we need more resolution. Edited.

Saguaro241April 07, 2018 02:44PM

  Re: Yes, I think it's true, we need more resolution.

zn227April 07, 2018 02:57PM

  Sorry to say, but...

NewMexicoRam231April 07, 2018 06:08AM

  The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

max267April 07, 2018 04:58AM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

Ramsdude235April 07, 2018 05:04AM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

max377April 07, 2018 05:37AM

  Then why did McCay try to resign Watkins?

jemach214April 07, 2018 12:20PM

  Re: Did the Rams make an offer?

hammer553April 07, 2018 01:02PM

  Re: Did the Rams make an offer?

Ramsdude315April 07, 2018 01:44PM

  I think there was enough talk...

jemach353April 07, 2018 01:57PM

  Re: I think there was enough talk...

Ramsdude208April 07, 2018 02:07PM

  Not to nit pick...

jemach173April 08, 2018 05:19AM

  Re: Not to nit pick...

Ramsdude185April 08, 2018 05:28AM

  I cannot speak for last year...

jemach193April 08, 2018 05:35AM

  Re: I cannot speak for last year...

Ramsdude202April 08, 2018 05:39AM

  I would be thrilled if it happens this way...

jemach202April 08, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: Plenty of reports of an offer

dzrams558April 07, 2018 02:56PM

  Re: The Cooks trade is reasonable only if you're making a SB run

Steve230April 07, 2018 05:53AM

  Watkins is sunk cost

Rams_81380April 07, 2018 02:05PM

  So 15 out of 15

Rams_81423April 07, 2018 05:45AM

  Re: Perspective on Cooks Trade - History of #23 Pick

Ramboni274April 07, 2018 04:33PM