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May 23, 2024 03:58AM
I think Stafford is still right now better than Goff, Smarter, and a better processor of information. Don't take my word for it just watch that Cooper Kupp interview with Julien Edelman. He still moves better and IMO there is no comparison between their arm talent.

You are right that statistically Goff has had better years than Stafford in the last two and IMO better teams too. However, when I mentioned that Stafford had played fewer games I was trying to make the point that despite the collapse of the Rams due to injuries in 2022, and the 3-6 start in 2023 Stafford was right there overall in terms of stats. What if the Rams didn't lose Stafford, Aaron Donald, and Cooper Kupp in 2022, and what if they didn't have an offensive line that completely collapsed under the weight of injuries? I know you tuned out on the Rams at that point but I think you might want to go back and see what happened to the Rams oline in the 2022 season. The Rams finished the season with linemen across the board who weren't even on their roster at the beginning of the season. As far as last season in the second half of the year there wasn't a better QB in the NFL than Matthew Stafford. Healthy, equipped with a commitment to the run game, and the emergence of Kyren Williams... there was no QB better in the last 8 games than Matthew Stafford. That includes Jared Goff.

Both the Rams and Lions lost on the road to the Ravens last year.

Ravens 38 Lions 6 - Goff 33 of 53 284 yards 0 TDS 1 Int

Ravens 37 Rams 31 OT - Stafford 23-41 294 yards 3TDS 0 ints

I'd take Stafford all day any day over Goff.... any day!!! And judging by the fact Stafford was chosen by his peers to represent the NFC in the pro bowl over Goff I'd say NFL players and coaches would too

I agree that Stafford is aging but he is aging like Brady... and like the Bucs did the Rams have now completely rebuilt their oline to protect him. Gone are the days when the Rams got by with a solid line with a strong LT covered up by the Rams offensive scheme. They have completely revamped their oline and gone from finesse to a mauling line that can protect Stafford not only in the pass game but also give him the kind of run game that he has never had before. One that Goff has had in LA previously and now has in Detroit. It seems like I have to remind people that Goff had two 1k yard rushers (Gibbs 945 yards, Montgomery 1K+)

If I had to win one playoff game right now who would I choose? I would choose Stafford easily... and honestly Saguaro the Lions won that game because they had the better overall team and were at home. Not because they had the better QB. I don't think Stafford sucked in the redzone as you characterized it... I think McVay had a brainfart and got away from the run.

Also re your comments about me telling you what you believe. I was referencing the Tampa game. So you believe that Jared Goff @ Tampa with the game on the line facing Suh with pressure in his face makes that off-schedule throw to Cooper Kupp essentially winning that game? If you tell me you believe that ok.... I will believe you. However, that is the assertion I was making that Goff doesn't do that. It would not have occurred to him to do it. That play was special... I provided a link to it. Did you watch it? Goff's not making that play man.

Ok that's my take

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Saguaro
First of all... "passive-aggressive"? Drop that, Speed. Let's stick to the players.

Stafford had, in his prime, at least, more talent as a QB than Goff (bigger arm, bigger body to shake off tacklers, whatever else you'd like to list. I'll stipulate.) That was my reference to talent. I wasn't talking about the talent of the teams around them, as you apparently took it.

And I don't care about that because production is finally what really matters.

Stafford has a ring. Got it in 2021. Made plays to get it. Also got very lucky on some plays.
Goff doesn't have one. Rams win the trade. I made that clear months ago, in not one, but two posts.

But...now we're in 2024. Lol, Calvin Johnson's stats are way in the rearview mirror. They don't matter. Won't help the Rams win anything in 2024.

I believe Stafford is fading at age 36, and his odds of putting in a full season are not good.
And regardless of that, his stats over the last two season are NOT elite, and don't compare well with Jared over that period of time. Don't compare well with other top QB's, either.

I hope I'm being clear. Who have I got? Team Goff at this point.

Please show me how Stafford has been better after 2021. Can you? You say you made your case but I missed it. What case? I'm not talking about 2021 now. I'm talking about 2022, 2023, and the upcoming season.

If you had to win one playoff game, mano a mano, who would you want as they stand right now? Goff or Stafford? Oh wait, nevermind, we just did that a few months ago, and Goff won.

Here's the real, ugly truth. It was a close game, but the Rams lost because Stafford STUNK it up in the redzone.
The Rams got three possessions there and nothing but field goals.
Stafford's stats in the redzone that game? 2 of 7 for 7 yards 0 TD's Rating 39.6 OUCH!!
He threw all over the field against Detroit's corners until things got compressed close to the goal and then it was whiff, whiff, whiff.

Meanwhile, Goff threw the Lions down to the goal line 1st possession, and Montgomery took one in. Gibbs on a run got another TD.
And then came the 3rd redzone for the Lions. The Rams stiffened and got them to a 4th down. But Coach Campbell, in typical fashion, said "we're going for it". A lot of pressure on Goff. He throws to LaPorta for 6. The Lions end up winning by 1. Don't tell me Goff isn't clutch and can't make throws.
Goff's stats in the redzone that game? 3 of 3 for 18 yards and a TD. Rating 106.8

Do me a favor, though, please. Don't tell me what I supposedly "know as well as you do" about Goff or anything else.

Right or wrong, I sincerely believe what I post, and I don't hide my real thoughts. Someone might mistakenly think you're accusing me of being dishonest about Goff, and I know that's not what you're doing.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/23/2024 04:14AM by Speed_Kills.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

BerendsenRam795May 17, 2024 10:40AM

  Re: Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

gatoramos123May 17, 2024 10:43AM

  Snore.... Wake me up when the Lions win a Super Bowl (nm).

Killrazor75May 17, 2024 11:33PM

  Re: Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

Old Goat103May 17, 2024 10:47AM

  Stupid

waterfield141May 17, 2024 12:28PM

  Re: Stupid

Rams43130May 17, 2024 12:41PM

  Yep with Dotson was a Huge Country Mile !

BerendsenRam100May 17, 2024 07:22PM

  Re: Stupid

Classicalwit65May 19, 2024 05:31PM

  Win-win’s are always best trades…

Rams4390May 17, 2024 12:39PM

  Re: Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

kw1381May 17, 2024 08:15PM

  Re: Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

BerendsenRam81May 17, 2024 10:57PM

  one thing about the stats comparison

Speed_Kills109May 18, 2024 02:46AM

  Re: stats comparison

ABQRam78May 18, 2024 05:56AM

  Re: stats comparison

Speed_Kills60May 18, 2024 02:23PM

  Re: stats comparison and the so-called intangibles

mtramfan67May 18, 2024 08:36PM

  That's why Stafford is worth the baggage be brings

JimYoungblood5365May 18, 2024 08:46PM

  well said and I might add

Speed_Kills62May 19, 2024 06:21AM

  hope it keeps up because I think he's got another SB run in him

JimYoungblood53120May 19, 2024 09:03AM

  Re: hope it keeps up because I think he's got another SB run in him

Speed_Kills79May 19, 2024 09:15AM

  Speed Kills - You are correct . . . If Goff was as good as Stafford, he would still be in LA.

since6854May 18, 2024 08:55PM

  Stafford could have an MVP season in 2024

Speed_Kills55May 19, 2024 06:25AM

  Re: one thing about the stats comparison Attachments

Saguaro54May 21, 2024 09:35AM

  I'm not sure I'm following

Speed_Kills69May 21, 2024 12:07PM

  Let's go for clarity.

Saguaro62May 21, 2024 02:59PM

  Re: ok this is a lot

Speed_Kills49May 21, 2024 03:57PM

  Re: Sorry for butting in...

RamsFanSince6947May 22, 2024 07:13AM

  I don't see the link, could you please repost? I liked to take a look.

Saguaro42May 22, 2024 08:13AM

  ok here goes

Speed_Kills49May 23, 2024 03:58AM

  Re: ok here goes

Rams4339May 23, 2024 05:31AM

  gracias sir nm

Speed_Kills34May 23, 2024 06:16AM

  Don't forget the historic OL injuries in 2022

RantoulRam16June 11, 2024 08:08AM

  IMO Goff is about the same as Kirk Cousins

RockRam78May 19, 2024 02:49AM

  Re: IMO Goff is about the same as Kirk Cousins

BerendsenRam50May 20, 2024 09:35AM

  can't say I disagree too much

Speed_Kills39May 21, 2024 05:08AM

  It's pretty simple....BOTH are good QBs. Goff has yet to win a Super Bowl but..

Ramgator55May 19, 2024 03:32AM

  Thanks to Dan on this one, next....

roman1849May 19, 2024 06:44AM

  This board sure spends a lot of time...

Saguaro124May 19, 2024 03:38PM

  Personal identification

waterfield91May 19, 2024 05:41PM

  Re: Personal identification

Classicalwit62May 19, 2024 08:18PM

  Is that what it is?

Speed_Kills73May 20, 2024 04:02AM

  Re: Is that what it is?

waterfield67May 20, 2024 08:07AM

  Re: because

Speed_Kills83May 20, 2024 08:20AM

  Re: because

waterfield62May 21, 2024 10:50AM

  Oh you've seen plenty like it

Speed_Kills73May 20, 2024 03:57AM

  What? Not how I remember it. no.

Saguaro68May 20, 2024 05:23PM

  hmmm ok

Speed_Kills37May 21, 2024 05:05AM

  Re: This board sure spends a lot of time...it's crazy

BumRap82May 20, 2024 10:51AM

  Re: This board sure spends a lot of time...it's crazy

Speed_Kills71May 20, 2024 12:24PM

  Stafford and Kupp....

JamesJM67May 20, 2024 07:43PM

  Re: Stafford and Kupp....

21Dog47May 21, 2024 04:51AM

  it was glorious!

Speed_Kills51May 21, 2024 05:02AM

  Re: it was glorious!

oldschoolramfan35May 21, 2024 05:56AM

  I will never forget trying to simply shout "COOOOP"! But I was freezing and...

Ramgator38May 21, 2024 07:10AM

  And HOLY COW!! How close was the kick being block and just HOW offsides was Tampa???

Ramgator38May 21, 2024 07:17AM

  It was close like Lombardi said Football is a game of inches !

BerendsenRam41May 21, 2024 03:20PM

  One of my other Lombardi Quotes I like if you cant gain a yd yoou dont deserve to be the Champion !

BerendsenRam39May 22, 2024 05:50PM

  This Isn't Hyperbole

Classicalwit50May 21, 2024 02:14PM

  That is a forgotten factor.

Ramgator40May 21, 2024 02:50PM

  Re: I think Stafford is the most underrated QB in the NFL.

oldschoolramfan47May 22, 2024 05:33AM

  Stafford is a brainiac

Speed_Kills41May 22, 2024 07:35AM

  He is Brother its Funny it really is

BerendsenRam26June 10, 2024 10:25PM

  " I know who you are"

waterfield64May 26, 2024 08:09PM

  Re: This board sure spends a lot of time...it's crazy

ABQRam118May 23, 2024 06:43AM

  Re: This board sure spends a lot of time...it's crazy

Speed_Kills82May 23, 2024 07:10AM

  Re: This board sure spends a lot of time...it's crazy

Classicalwit29May 27, 2024 06:05PM

  Re: Rams News: Dan Patrick Determines Winner of Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade 3 Years Later

Shecky52May 22, 2024 07:53AM

  Dan struggled to determine the winner between these two...

DaJudge102May 23, 2024 07:19AM

  Thats Funny Brother lol! ...

BerendsenRam35June 10, 2024 06:40PM

  Winner ?

waterfield39June 10, 2024 03:25PM

  Can we move on from this thread??

Shecky20June 11, 2024 03:07AM