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Look we won with the girl we chose to dance with in Staffard. Jared is no slouch and has his own virtues an even better QB today than he was 3 years ago. Sean loves Matt and he prefers a store bought cake than home made so who can complain with the results. The fact is we could have busted on that Superbowll with Matts 2 INTs but Kupp and Donald and Ernest Jones were critical in saving the game for us. Many of the same fans would still be trashing Jared.

I am happy for Jared and I am now hoping we have a plan to transition from Matt when the time comes and not having to cross our fingers and spend a lot of capital threading together a string of rentals.

Great post, it echoes my thoughts exactly (which is why I also agree that the trade was a win/win). However, with some on the board if you point out that Jared is "no slouch" you are not a RAMS fan. Usually when I'm pointing this out people miss the underlying (implied) question is not about QB's, but about the coach (if we can be critical of players we can certainly ask questions about the coach). See, my question is this...does McVay require a "Stafford QB" in order to win a SB? And on a larger scale...I think I have seen that there needs to be a certain chemistry between coach and QB in order to win and certain combinations just don't work very well. I'm also wonder what will happen when Stafford can't play at a high level anymore and I hope that question does not need to be answered in the near future.

I would add that I think this years team is better than the SB team so unlike last year when the RAMS exceeded my expectations this year my expectations are pretty high.

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First of all... "passive-aggressive"? Drop that, Speed. Let's stick to the players.

Stafford had, in his prime, at least, more talent as a QB than Goff (bigger arm, bigger body to shake off tacklers, whatever else you'd like to list. I'll stipulate.) That was my reference to talent. I wasn't talking about the talent of the teams around them, as you apparently took it.

And I don't care about that because production is finally what really matters.

Stafford has a ring. Got it in 2021. Made plays to get it. Also got very lucky on some plays.
Goff doesn't have one. Rams win the trade. I made that clear months ago, in not one, but two posts.

But...now we're in 2024. Lol, Calvin Johnson's stats are way in the rearview mirror. They don't matter. Won't help the Rams win anything in 2024.

I believe Stafford is fading at age 36, and his odds of putting in a full season are not good.
And regardless of that, his stats over the last two season are NOT elite, and don't compare well with Jared over that period of time. Don't compare well with other top QB's, either.

I hope I'm being clear. Who have I got? Team Goff at this point.

Please show me how Stafford has been better after 2021. Can you? You say you made your case but I missed it. What case? I'm not talking about 2021 now. I'm talking about 2022, 2023, and the upcoming season.

If you had to win one playoff game, mano a mano, who would you want as they stand right now? Goff or Stafford? Oh wait, nevermind, we just did that a few months ago, and Goff won.

Here's the real, ugly truth. It was a close game, but the Rams lost because Stafford STUNK it up in the redzone.
The Rams got three possessions there and nothing but field goals.
Stafford's stats in the redzone that game? 2 of 7 for 7 yards 0 TD's Rating 39.6 OUCH!!
He threw all over the field against Detroit's corners until things got compressed close to the goal and then it was whiff, whiff, whiff.

Meanwhile, Goff threw the Lions down to the goal line 1st possession, and Montgomery took one in. Gibbs on a run got another TD.
And then came the 3rd redzone for the Lions. The Rams stiffened and got them to a 4th down. But Coach Campbell, in typical fashion, said "we're going for it". A lot of pressure on Goff. He throws to LaPorta for 6. The Lions end up winning by 1. Don't tell me Goff isn't clutch and can't make throws.
Goff's stats in the redzone that game? 3 of 3 for 18 yards and a TD. Rating 106.8

Do me a favor, though, please. Don't tell me what I supposedly "know as well as you do" about Goff or anything else.

Right or wrong, I sincerely believe what I post, and I don't hide my real thoughts. Someone might mistakenly think you're accusing me of being dishonest about Goff, and I know that's not what you're doing.

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The stats comparison that was given is for the last 3 years and it looks close.

What really helps Matt Stafford in the comparison, is including 2021, because it was Stafford's best year of the 3, by far, and Goff's worst, by far.

In 2021, Stafford was on a Superbowl team, the Lions were just beginning a rebuild.

But if you look at production AND quality after 21, you get a much more dramatic difference.

Looking at 2022 and 2023 combined we get this per statmuse: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-passing-yards-leaders-2022-to-2023


[attachment 11246 GoffandStafford23thru24.jpg]

(sorry it's blurry, your eyes aren't going bad. If you click on it, you get a clearer picture.)

To those who say Goff played 10 more games than Stafford, two things -

A - the number of games played should not affect the qualitative differences.
B - playing more games is a good thing, not an excuse. Availability is the best ability

In 22 and 23 combined Goff has: a better comp %, a better YPA, a better TD %, a better Int %, and, given all that, a better passer rating.

The argument that Stafford has more talent, especially in his prime, than Goff, can continue.

The argument over which one is playing better QB in the present is OVER.